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Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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post #40

Companies that send DMCA takedowns should be financialy liable for fake/wrong ones. That way, they will take more time to think it trough.

They already are. You're given all the details of the DMCA claimant in the DMCA claim itself, so that you can sue them.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the reason I would have never considered to build any apps. I have had couple of ideas but the risk is to big that a faceless corporation is going cancel your business without any reason and visibility.

Google can also take your website out of their search results, or derank you a lot. That would effectively be a death penalty for many online businesses.

But every time the EU tries to do something about it in Europe, it is derided here as stiffing innovation...

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but I assume people are because everything you can possibly do in life comes with some risk -- you need to evaluate the risk versus the benefit to decide whether to do something. Not even considering developing an app because of the risk of your app being banned seems like a fairly extreme overreaction. It's kind of like saying, "I've never considered getting a job because the risk is too big that…

The comparison would be IMO more accurate if there were only 2 employers in the world.

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Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but I assume people are because everything you can possibly do in life comes with some risk -- you need to evaluate the risk versus the benefit to decide whether to do something. Not even considering developing an app because of the risk of your app being banned seems like a fairly extreme overreaction. It's kind of like saying, "I've never considered getting a job because the risk is too big that…

The comparison would be IMO more accurate if there were only 2 employers in the world.

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Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but I assume people are because everything you can possibly do in life comes with some risk -- you need to evaluate the risk versus the benefit to decide whether to do something. Not even considering developing an app because of the risk of your app being banned seems like a fairly extreme overreaction. It's kind of like saying, "I've never considered getting a job because the risk is too big that…

The comparison would be IMO more accurate if there were only 2 employers in the world.

That still doesn't change the underlying mechanics of the analogy though. It doesn't matter how many employers there are, if the worst case scenario is that you end up where you are now (jobless / no app)

The analogy would be more accurate if you could end up in a worse off position by taking the job / making the app, say through lost development time with no payoff

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

#88
To be fair on the second complaint, if the first thing your app does is display a web view of a page that requests an email address (even if just for a mailing list), I might also say a claim that it doesn't collect that information is incorrect. It's too easy to just say the site is unaffiliated because you used a different entity name for the site and circumvent their controls, and it may be unclear to people whether an email address is required for full functionality.

The alternative to marking the form to indicate they collect personal information would be to load a different web page by default that doesn't try to collect email addresses.

I underatand how when you're mad at a company it can be hard to give the benefit of a doubt about other actions and use that think about them rationally, but I think that's all that was required in the second case.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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I had an app that was making about $10,000 USD a month. It was taken down by Google because apparently I copied some other developer's iOS app. I asked them to tell me the name of the iOS app they believed I copied. They named the iOS version of my Android app. They basically accused me of copying myself because the Android version was under my company's name while the iOS version was under my name. Google unbanned t…

This is exactly the reason I would have never considered to build any apps. I have had couple of ideas but the risk is to big that a faceless corporation is going cancel your business without any reason and visibility.

I'm mostly there. I've developed a few apps, but none that I charged for. I wouldn't be willing to have anything of importance be at the mercy of any app store.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the reason I would have never considered to build any apps. I have had couple of ideas but the risk is to big that a faceless corporation is going cancel your business without any reason and visibility.

Google can also take your website out of their search results, or derank you a lot. That would effectively be a death penalty for many online businesses.

This is why I intentionally exclude my sites from Google's crawlers. That way, I never grow to depend on Google and don't worry about potential delisting.
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