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Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by chrisco255 »

pzo wrote: post #100
chrisco255 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first iPhone not only had GPS, it had Google Maps built in. Here's the timestamp of Jobs's 2007 presentation, showing the feature: https://youtu.be/vN4U5FqrOdQ?t=2207 Selfie camera was out by the following year. Flashlight was implemented as an app very early on after app store came out. The original version most definitely had gyroscope and compass. Mass appeal was very much already there when iPhone launched. B…

Check wiki regarding iphone history and specs. Flashlight sensor was added in 3rd generation, gyroscope was in iphone 4 or 3gs - Steve Jobs was showing it off. Selfie camera definitely not yet in second generation. App store was launched with 2nd generation, gps and compass added with second generation. Google maps maybe was in gen 1 but without gps and compass - only for manually browsing maps. First gen iphone came…

The LED flash feature was great, but it was never a make or break feature for a phone. And as mentioned, the earliest LED flash equipped iPhones just used this as a camera flash for night photography, not as a flashlight. You would have to download a special app to leave the light turned on.

The original iPhone had accelerometer for orientation based UI, you're correct that it didn't have gyroscope (or I guess GPS, although it looks like from Jobs's presentation that it was planned). Another great feature. Still doesn't change the fact that the original iPhone had a dozen or so killer features. Everyone of course wanted the iPhone to keep getting better, and from 2.5G to 3G to 3GS to iPhone 4, there was a rapid succession of progress.

You're criticizing the 2007 iPhone for features that virtually no phone had in 2007 (and certainly none did all the things that iPhone did well). I can't name one that had a gyroscope or selfie cam. The top models back then were things like the Motorola Razr and the LG Chocolate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Razr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Chocolate_Spin_(VX8550)

People often forget how quickly the 3G version of the iPhone was launched after the 2.5G. It took them less than one year to come out with the 3G version.

The iPhone was jaw dropping when it first came out. A lot of sales were held back in first year merely due to the lack of 3G support and high pricepoint (along with AT&T exclusivity).

Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by seba_dos1 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #101
pzo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check wiki regarding iphone history and specs. Flashlight sensor was added in 3rd generation, gyroscope was in iphone 4 or 3gs - Steve Jobs was showing it off. Selfie camera definitely not yet in second generation. App store was launched with 2nd generation, gps and compass added with second generation. Google maps maybe was in gen 1 but without gps and compass - only for manually browsing maps. First gen iphone came…

The LED flash feature was great, but it was never a make or break feature for a phone. And as mentioned, the earliest LED flash equipped iPhones just used this as a camera flash for night photography, not as a flashlight. You would have to download a special app to leave the light turned on. The original iPhone had accelerometer for orientation based UI, you're correct that it didn't have gyroscope (or I guess GPS, a…

> You're criticizing the 2007 iPhone for features that virtually no phone had in 2007

Accelerometers were pretty common, and quite a few phones had GPS and selfie cams back then. Nokia N95 from early 2007 had all those things, for example - it even supported 3.5G already. Not sure about gyroscopes though, I believe they only started getting popular in phones later, but even then I doubt iPhone was the first.

iPhone did not get popular because of its features. It rode the iPod's fame and did some interesting (from 2007 perspective) UI choices, that's pretty much it. It didn't even start gaining significant traction outside of the US (where iPods weren't that popular either) until much later.

Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by theshrike79 »

dorkwood wrote: post #44
Brendinooo wrote: post #3

Commentary feels a bit lazy. Seems to operate on the assumption that it's not different than previous AR/VR offerings in any way. If they can find a million people to watch movies on flights and/or use it as a monitor replacement, and if it works well for those use cases, then Apple will net $3.5B of revenue and have a solid foundation to build on. I don't think the first generation needs to do a whole lot more than…

I’ve heard the flights thing mentioned a few times now. Is that an angle they’re actively pushing? For what it’s worth, I once brought my Quest on a flight. But when it came time to put it on, I couldn’t bring myself to to do it. The idea of becoming a spectacle while simultaneously shutting myself off from everyone around me felt embarrassing.

The Vision doesn't "shut you off", you can set the immersion level however you wish.

And what is the issue with shutting other people off on a plane? Do you want to actively engage with strangers on a plane?

Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by theshrike79 »

pzo wrote: post #79
mmcclure wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep seeing people mention the battery life as the total blocker for the flight use case, but I honestly don’t remember the last flight I was on > 2 hours that didn’t have outlets available.

It's not sure though if you will be able to to charge device while using simultaneously. On all pictures I have seen cable was using priopertary connector and on the other end soldered to battery. Battery though has extra Usb-c port for charging. Very dump design in my opinion. They finally learned the lesson with macbook chargers that those cables used to break after a while and started producing this days detachabl…

> It's not sure though if you will be able to to charge device while using simultaneously.

At least MKBHD said in his video that this is possible.

And I'm like 99% sure that they'll come up with a Vision -> USB-C cable later on, so you can either plug it in to your computer, a bigger power bank or directly to a charger.

Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by xela79 »

pixelbath wrote: post #18

Author has not tried the product, and their main points seem to be: 1. Meta makes VR headsets and failed. 2. Vision has a lot of fancy tech, but I don't understand how that helps Apple. 3. People who are excited about Vision also liked Google Glass, a failed product. 4. Big televisions are cheaper. 5. Apple didn't mention motion sickness, so maybe that's a problem. Hope this saves at least someone from a very clickba…

Apple's AR/VR headset was not demo-ed by more than one person wearing it; so this makes it so that it remains an isolating experience, as it ever was; not ground breaking social features added that are worth it;

so the target audience who might consider this 4k headset, will be the exact same that Meta is targetting at a fraction of the cost.

Re: Apple’s Vision Pro Is a $3,500 Ticket to Nowhere

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Post by dorkwood »

theshrike79 wrote: post #103
dorkwood wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard the flights thing mentioned a few times now. Is that an angle they’re actively pushing? For what it’s worth, I once brought my Quest on a flight. But when it came time to put it on, I couldn’t bring myself to to do it. The idea of becoming a spectacle while simultaneously shutting myself off from everyone around me felt embarrassing.

The Vision doesn't "shut you off", you can set the immersion level however you wish. And what is the issue with shutting other people off on a plane? Do you want to actively engage with strangers on a plane?

I'm talking purely from an emotional perspective. It felt deeply embarrassing to me, and I was wondering about why that was.

Now I think about it, I have no problem wearing an eye mask and headphones, so maybe the shutting-myself-off point isn't accurate after all. Maybe it was more about being different to everyone else.

Have you worn a headset on a plane before? Did you feel any aversion to putting it on? Maybe we're just wired differently.

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