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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#101

I have been working in the industry since 20 years and i have not a single bad word to loose about Hetzner. Their Service has always been impeccable and their servers just run. I have been running k8s clusters on hetzner for quite some time now and the flexibility for the price is exactly what i expect from a hoster! Now with this addition Hetzner closes another gap that made projects spends thousands more on enterpr…

They had some problems about 10-15 years ago (hardware, network). The fire some time ago wasn’t cool either

Which fire? Are you not confusing with OVH SGB2 fire in 2021?

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#102

I have been working in the industry since 20 years and i have not a single bad word to loose about Hetzner. Their Service has always been impeccable and their servers just run. I have been running k8s clusters on hetzner for quite some time now and the flexibility for the price is exactly what i expect from a hoster! Now with this addition Hetzner closes another gap that made projects spends thousands more on enterpr…

They had some problems about 10-15 years ago (hardware, network). The fire some time ago wasn’t cool either

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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this any worse than not even knowing when parts of your AWS instance are failing?

If I search my emails: "EC2 has detected degradation of the underlying hardware hosting your Amazon EC2 instance" It's just something you have to do yourself with Hetzner.

Right but AWS gets to make that choice, you have no idea whether they consider a failing fan as "degradation".

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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post #54

tl;dr Mini rant (pro dedicated, anti-cloud) Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger…

I think the performance argument is huge as there are a lot of factors at play here.

For one, people generally underestimate the performance cost of their choices. And that reaches from app code, to their db and their infrastructure.

We’re talking orders of magnitude of compounding effects. Big constant factors that can dominate the calculation. Big multipliers on top.

Horizontal scaling with all its dollar cost, limitations, complexity, maintenance cost and gotchas becomes a fix on top of something that shouldn’t be a problem in the first place.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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post #55

I'd love to see more of their dedicated servers in the US. The prices are really good.

Been using hetzner in Europe for about a decade now. Every year or so look to change into another server and you get better hardware or cheaper prices. Their machines are tough, never had hardware troubles.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#107
post #54

tl;dr Mini rant (pro dedicated, anti-cloud) Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger…

Based on my two decade experience in the field ranging being part of the team that was building super computers to one that was moving amazon.com to aws, there are many dimensions that you need to consider for computational workloads.

The primary deciding factor is always security. You simply cannot use any small vendor because of the physical security (or the lack thereof). Unless of course you do not care about security. If a red team can just waltz into you DC and connect directly to your infra is it game over for some businesses. You can easily do this with most vendors.

The secondary deciding factor is networking. Most traditional co-los have very limited understanding of networking. A CCIE or two can make a real difference. Unfortunately those guys usually work some bigger companies.

The third deciding factor air conditioning and electricity considerations. Worst case you are facing an OVH situation. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-dat....

(It is really funny, because I have warned them that their AC/cooling solution is not sufficient, and they explained to me that I am wrong. I was not aware of the rest (wooden elements, electricity fuckups, etc.)

"""During the year, an article in VO News by Clever Technologies claimed there were flaws in the power design of the site, for instance that the neighboring SBG4 facility was not independent, drawing power from the same circuit as SBG2. It's clear that the site had multiple generations, and among its work after the fire, OVHcloud reported digging a new power connection between the facilities.""")

The fourth would be probably pricing. TCO is one consideration, after you made sure that the minimum requirements are met, but only after.

So based on the needs somebody can choose wisely, based on the ___business requirements___. For example, running an airline vs running a complex simulations have very different requirements.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#108
I once started off a SaaS business on Hetzner, all good and super cheap. Some prospects were turned off by us hosting their data on a "no-name" provider. Switched to AWS, total door-opener, no more questions asked. In hindsight we would not have been able to sign contracts this fast without a big name provider.

IT departments really need to revise their due diligence processes. I wonder how many folks were coerced to do a similar migration just to benefit from household brand credibility.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#109

I have been working in the industry since 20 years and i have not a single bad word to loose about Hetzner. Their Service has always been impeccable and their servers just run. I have been running k8s clusters on hetzner for quite some time now and the flexibility for the price is exactly what i expect from a hoster! Now with this addition Hetzner closes another gap that made projects spends thousands more on enterpr…

> I have been working in the industry since 20 years and i have not a single bad word to loose about Hetzner. I use them, and I've been very happy with both pricing, reliability and the service. Only possible bad thing to say about them: their static IP's aren't always "clean": I had a couple of instances where the IP I was allocated was blacklisted and it took some back and forth with their customer service to fix t…

im an ovh customer too, mainly for their exchange offering. I disagree that they are on the same level as hetzner as support often doesnt know what their are doing and half their tools are broken.

For instance i was trying to migrate a large exchange group off to office 365 recently and their migration assistant simply has not been updated to support modern auth for office 365 amongst other things.

Also the migration failed from their own accounts for some reason....

As for the dirty ips: yes that happens but its not really hetzners fault, as the ip you had assigned had been taken away from the "bad actor" prior. If you tell that to your support agent, i have gotten a new one without a problem

EDIT: Ironically, not i cant even list my exchange accounts in ovh. it just keeps on loading and loading

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

#110
Does anyone know of a managed postgres service that happens to use Hetzner? I'm running my own PG instances on Hetzner, but getting tired of managing it myself. Going with a 3rd party makes me worried about latency (currently it's like 1-4ms...I'd rather not increase that to 50ms for a service located somewhere else).

Haven't found anything by Googling, so was wondering if anyone here works somewhere that does this.

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