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Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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Re: Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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For people who don't know the difference between cement, mortar and concrete: Cement is a substance used for producing mortar and concrete. It's never used on its own. It is a "binding agent". Note that the term "cement" is often not used correctly in everyday speech, with people talking about gluing bricks together with cement, when bricks are actually glued together with mortar. Mortar is the glue between bricks. Y…

>There is also reinforced concrete, which the Romans didn't have. While concrete by itself can in principle be moulded into any shape, this can sometimes fall apart, even after hardening. Reinforcement refers to putting a concrete around metal wiring, providing more versatility.

Not a correction per se, but some further explanation.

The reason for reinforcement is because concrete is strong in compression and weak in tension - in fact for design purposes we disregard its tensile capacity entirely. What reinforcement does is handle the tensile stresses in a structural member. When a beam, column, or slab bends it often (based on the load placed and structural design) creates tension on one side and compression on the other, so we put the rebar in the structural member close to the tension side, or on both sides if there may be tension on both sides.

In slabs reinforcing may also be used in some capacity just to limit cracking in an otherwise non structural capacity. In certain kinds of designs it may also provide confinement to the concrete which can be important for structural analysis reasons that are too technical to get into here (plastic hinging especially in earthquake design, etc).

We have different kinds of reinforcement, depending on the need of the project, but for the most part we use steel because its reasonably durable, has similar temperature expansion properties to concrete (imagine if your concrete got cold and shrunk more than things embedded in it, or grew so much the things embedded in it weren't attached anymore), its behaviour is well understood, and it is reasonably priced.

The design of steel reinforcing in concrete is also done in a way that reduces the likelihood of sudden failures, so that if something does happen, it happens slowly and with plenty of warning.

There are alternative reinforcing materials that may be appropriate in some very specific situations, but civil engineering moves very slowly and adoption is slow because risk is high. Fiber Reinforced Polymer (FRP) and Glass Reinforced Plastic (GRP) are examples of these. They may have much higher tensile stress capacity per unit of area, and also are less susceptible to corrosion, but they cost a lot, their failure modes are sudden, greater deflections under load, and each may have other tradeoffs like worse compressive behaviour, or worse fire resistance, etc.

Re: Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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Here is a nice picture of the Pantheon, mentioned in the article as a prime example of these incredibly durable Roman concrete structures: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pantheon11111.jpg#/m... Not bad for something built nearly 2,000 years ago.

I wonder what percentage of the original stones are left (given that it was repaired and restored over the centuries)

Re: Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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on the other end of the spectrum, did you know concrete can be used to demolish concrete? dexpan is a special demolition concrete mix that, when poured into holes, expands at 18kpsi. it gets used when jackhammers and explosives cant be used, for example, in refineries and explosive atmospheres.

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Re: Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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Chemistry might be important, but we don't necessarily need that deep of an analysis. Romans didn't mind over-engineering with massive, inefficient structures. They didn't worry about complex/thin shapes, or any tensile elements. No rebar, no "piping" cement, etc. And they could put up with extremely long cure times. The end result is very, very dense concrete. We could probably recreate the durability of their concr…

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Re: Why was Roman concrete so durable?

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post #103

Here is a nice picture of the Pantheon, mentioned in the article as a prime example of these incredibly durable Roman concrete structures: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pantheon11111.jpg#/m... Not bad for something built nearly 2,000 years ago.

Uses pumice in aggregate as aerated mass to lighten the concrete and also varies concrete thickness by height in the dome to reduce load
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