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Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by pdntspa »

anigbrowl wrote: post #84
pdntspa wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought of them as a maker of reliable workhorse stuff. The MIDI keyboard I have from them has been rock solid and it's outlasted at least two others.

My point isn't a dig at their quality (which is excellent) but at their lack of technological innovation for the last ~20 years. Their products are very good, they're just extremely risk averse and resting on a reputation they earned in the 1980s.

Ok, but why do they need to be exciting and innovative? I would almost rather they didn't, lest the company pivot into something of the sort and eventually abandon their existing product line.

Besides, a lot of "innovation" in the music space seems to be about how many different ways we can bolt on cloud functionality

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Post by jameshart »

That is not what ‘drone’ means in a musical instrument context.

Unless the function of these drones is to emit a constant underlying tone to add to the musicality, allowing you to mimic bagpipes, a banjo or a tambura. Which has clearly always been the ambition of any serious pianist.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by hibbelig »

austinprete wrote: post #79
tshaddox wrote: post #10

Over the last several weeks I have been deep in research for a new digital piano, spending a lot of time looking at Roland, Kawai, and Yamaha models, and seeing this made me giggle. I doubt I would ever buy even one of the less traditional-looking production models (like the Kiyola), but I am glad they have fun with creating wild concepts like this.

Did the same search about a year ago, ended up ordering the CLP-775 after testing Kawai and Yamaha in stores. It _finally_ arrived last month, completely love it so far. On the somewhat cheaper side the 745 also felt great in store. I don’t think you can go wrong with the equivalent Kawai models either. They somehow didn’t quite do it for me when I played them in store (compared to the CLPs), but couldn’t quite pin d…

It's really interesting. I tried Kawai and Yamaha digital pianos in the store and I didn't like the key action of the Kawai at all, nor the sound. Now my piano teacher has an “actual” (non-digital) Kawai grand and it feels just like the digital one -- not my favorite.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by hibbelig »

jameshart wrote: post #102

That is not what ‘drone’ means in a musical instrument context. Unless the function of these drones is to emit a constant underlying tone to add to the musicality, allowing you to mimic bagpipes, a banjo or a tambura. Which has clearly always been the ambition of any serious pianist.

> That is not what ‘drone’ means in a musical instrument context.

Which other word should they have used?

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by lostlogin »

shever73 wrote: post #83
verdverm wrote: post #52

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They don't look to uses props, but bladeless air flow tech, based on the renders anyhow

The article states: > As of now, the drones’ propellers are still somewhat noisy. But as quiet drone technology becomes available, they’ll be able to add it to the existing framework.

They have found a completely non-reassuring way of dismissing the issue.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by lostlogin »

blub wrote: post #88

The Piano seems to be Android-powered and is connected to the internet. Wouldn’t use this even if Roland paid me to. It’s startling how much things have changed from when I first started using computers, when it seemed that nearly anything could be improved through electronics. Nowadays adding a computer means malware, spyware and losing support after two years.

For a small monthly payment you can gave access to g.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by brudgers »

dTal wrote: post #93
brudgers wrote: post #48

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Mic up the prop, phase shift 180 degrees and cancel the prop noise…kinda like noise canceling headphones?

If you cancel the noise for one listening spot, you double it for another listening spot. Conservation of energy!

Unlike Newtonian theory, in audio engineering all points in space are not equivalent. Some points are between a pair of ears, some are not.

A common audio engineering strategy these days is to direct phase shift effects of multiple point sources vertically, e.g. linear speaker arrays. For audience members, reinforced and canceled frequencies fifteen feet off the ground don't effect musical experience.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Post by adrusi »

FlyingRobot wrote: post #45
jonahbenton wrote: post #35

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Got the kids a $2k Roland FP 90x for Christmas to replace a $1k Casio. I don't play but they liked the Roland action when we tried their models in stores over Yamaha, Casio, and some others. Now that we have it- incredible instrument, well worth the upgrade, good match for their skills. It is a really, really good sound producer, better than most analog pianos I've heard, though I can easily tell the difference betwe…

To me even the very highest end digital pianos still sound digital, but they are close enough and the benefits of digital outweigh what you might sacrifice in sound for most people. I've noticed there is also fierce debate between digital pianos that are based on sampled sounds versus modeled. I believe most Roland digitals are modeled with Fourier series, while all/most of their competitors are sampled (not sure abo…

For anyone price-sensitive, I highly recommend getting the cheapest 88-key hammer-action keyboard you can find and hooking it up to Pianoteq Stage rather than buying a dedicated digital piano.

Exception if you're going to travel with it. Built-in sounds save you on setup time.

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Post by hoherd »

boppo1 wrote: post #87
hoherd wrote: post #22

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Seriously. My first thought was playing the piano while waiting to be shot by a sniper. Ever since I saw some of the Syrian war vids, I just can't disassociate that sound from mortal danger.

How so? Aren't snipers far-off? I would think a buzz noise would worry me about explosives. How were drones used in Syria?

They would use quad-rotor drones as sniper spotters, looking for people hiding in the rubble.

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Post by brudgers »

kimburgess wrote: post #80
brudgers wrote: post #77

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I don’t understand. What I wrote does not feel inconsistent with the psycho-acoustic idea you mentioned.

I was likely misinterpreting your intent. My response was to: > So at 30m, ten milliseconds latency wouldn’t change the spatial perception very much even without correction.

Unless I misunderstand the psycho-acoustic point of the comment, it would seem that we are in agreement about the effects of 10ms latency on audio experience.

My intent was that 10ms latency correlates to about 3m. The difference between perceiving reflections at 33m/110ms and 30m/100ms is unlikely to have a significant impact on a live music experience...though it might matter in a recording studio or in live performance monitoring.

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