Wait, drones as in bzzzzzzzzzzz?
Like, what are they performing, a cover of Buzzsaw by The Turtles?
Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano
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The volume of air moved remains a limitation of physics. One thing the news release didn’t cover was whether there were attempts to integrate sound production into the coils of the motors.
It’s not just the volume of air but also the speed that it’s moved at. Large slow propellers are quieter and more efficient than small fast propellers. (But less maneuverable.) In the limit, I could see this being done by big, spidery drones with huge props relative to their weight, like a scale model of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVelo_Atlas .
Even better with servo-controlled booms so the speakers are stationary when in use...
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The higher-end Kawai models have an Android-driven touch screen. It would be great if someone would manage to jailbreak those.
I sort of prefer the ones without. The Kawai CA95 doesn't have it, but it does have a line input and USB/5 pin MIDI in/out, so you can simply place a tablet (iPad or Android) on the music stand and use a USB cable to play whatever digital synths or piano emulators you want to download. Not having a built-in tablet means it is future proof and can work with the latest tablet, even a decade into the future.
>means it is future proof and can work with the latest tablet, even a decade into the future.
My preferred digital workstation (cubase) works (started with an atari version) great - also on my phone. My son has the same phone - does not work (slightly different processor? Different size sd card?). I can't find the forum message where someone went out and got a new tablet for the program..doesn't work. "Future proof", isn't even today proof.
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Kawai makes quite nice digital pianos. The CA95 that we bought about 5 years ago has real wooden hammer action and a wooden soundboard. It also reproduces the harmonics (through digital samples) that you get when you hold the sustain pedal down and play a different string (resonant frequencies can vibrate other strings that you haven't played). I highly recommend them if you are considering a digital piano.
I wonder if that’s the predecessor to the CA99. I played that in a showroom and the Grand Feel III action is fantastic. I’m just not sure if I want to pay like 2-3x over what a portable digital piano would cost.
It is. The CA95 just has Grand Feel II action. I agree, it's one of the best digital pianos I've tried.
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#76Wouldn't latency be horrible, if e.g. the drones are connected through wifi or bluetooth? My understanding is that that's why until now no serious electric piano has ever proposed bluetooth audio connectivity for the player. [Edit]: they use an other tech with zero latency, as described in the article. Thanks for the replying comments.
You know, before wifi and bluetooth we had this amazing technology designed to transmit audio through the air with zero latency.
It was called "radio".
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Reverb is the result of latency, and in large spaces the audio signal to distant speakers is delayed to minimize dead spots due to wave interference. Which is to say musical experience is complicated and hence live sound design is also complex in ways that aren’t casually obvious. The rule of thumb is sound travels one foot per millisecond (30cm per millisecond). So at 30m, ten milliseconds latency wouldn’t change th…
Haas would like to disagree. If you experience a second wavefront within ~2-50ms you'll still localise to the first, even if the second is up to 10dB louder.
I don’t understand. What I wrote does not feel inconsistent with the psycho-acoustic idea you mentioned.
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To me even the very highest end digital pianos still sound digital, but they are close enough and the benefits of digital outweigh what you might sacrifice in sound for most people. I've noticed there is also fierce debate between digital pianos that are based on sampled sounds versus modeled. I believe most Roland digitals are modeled with Fourier series, while all/most of their competitors are sampled (not sure abo…
I’m not extremely concerned with sound quality, both because I intend to play around with lots of VSTs and because I‘ll be upgrading from a Roland RD-700SX which has served me incredibly well but which is very outdated when it comes to the sound engine!
Sounds like a good approach to me. Buy for the best action your budget will allow. With VSTs you can tailor the sound to your liking. I don't have a stake in Pianoteq, but if you aren't aware they claim that version 8 is going to be brought to iOS soon.
If you use a decent quality open back headphone, I feel like this is even more true, because the onboard sound becomes irrelevant.
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#79Over the last several weeks I have been deep in research for a new digital piano, spending a lot of time looking at Roland, Kawai, and Yamaha models, and seeing this made me giggle. I doubt I would ever buy even one of the less traditional-looking production models (like the Kiyola), but I am glad they have fun with creating wild concepts like this.
Did the same search about a year ago, ended up ordering the CLP-775 after testing Kawai and Yamaha in stores. It _finally_ arrived last month, completely love it so far. On the somewhat cheaper side the 745 also felt great in store.
I don’t think you can go wrong with the equivalent Kawai models either. They somehow didn’t quite do it for me when I played them in store (compared to the CLPs), but couldn’t quite pin down what it was, and it was probably just a personal thing.
Anyway, definitely second FlyingRobot’s recommendation about Piano World (though seems like you’re set on that) and trying before settling on anything.
Good luck, sure you’ll end up with something you love!
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Haas would like to disagree. If you experience a second wavefront within ~2-50ms you'll still localise to the first, even if the second is up to 10dB louder.
I don’t understand. What I wrote does not feel inconsistent with the psycho-acoustic idea you mentioned.
I was likely misinterpreting your intent. My response was to:
> So at 30m, ten milliseconds latency wouldn’t change the spatial perception very much even without correction.