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Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Post by _c3ag »

llamaLord wrote: post #54
_c3ag wrote: post #4

‘thousands lines’ of gossip to not inform the reader about psychoanalysis… which personally i hope starts to get less and less popular! giving placebo to patients that can suicide, for me, should be considered as homicide if recommended BEFORE any other type of treatment with a rate greater than “eating blades of grass” and thinking you are cured or will be cured

As someone who’s had life-changing improvements as a result of psychoanalytic therapy, when more “conventional” therapy like CBT and DBT nearly made me kill myself, please kindly keep your closed-minded BS to yourself.

science does not have answers to everything and it admits that. plus different psychologist, different results! you can not blame an entire method just because you tried once or twice! there is ton of ways of approaching CBT and DBT which may work or not for you

now do you think is BS to repress some form of treatment that can not get any valid proof and its rate of success is equal than a placebo? * plus i said it should be considered a crime recommending BEFORE any other type of more-prone-to-solve-your-problem method

Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Der_Einzige wrote: post #80
philosopher1234 wrote: post #39

Psychoanalysis is criminally underrated in the US. It’s detractors broadly don’t understand it. It has the potential to seriously help tons of people, but it is understandably challenged, as it represents a painful reckoning with yourself. Who would want to find out that their personality causes many of their problems? Maybe it requires a bit of masochism to take advantage of.

Oedipus complex isn't real. Electra complex isn't real. Freud should be in the dustbin of history.

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Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Post by golemotron »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #80
philosopher1234 wrote: post #39

Psychoanalysis is criminally underrated in the US. It’s detractors broadly don’t understand it. It has the potential to seriously help tons of people, but it is understandably challenged, as it represents a painful reckoning with yourself. Who would want to find out that their personality causes many of their problems? Maybe it requires a bit of masochism to take advantage of.

Oedipus complex isn't real. Electra complex isn't real. Freud should be in the dustbin of history.

They are so true that they are denied with great passion.

Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Post by skissane »

gjvnq wrote: post #95
skissane wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From my understanding, depression is a deadly spiral of mental state leading to chemical imbalance There has never been any good scientific evidence that depression (or any other mental health issue for that matter) involves a “chemical imbalance”. It is, at the very best, a debatable and unproven hypothesis - yet many think it is some proven fact. To pick out just a couple of the numerous sources which confirm thi…

> There has never been any good scientific evidence that depression (or any other mental health issue for that matter) involves a “chemical imbalance”. Transfem here. Gender Dysphoria is a hell of a condition and it usually improves massively as soon as people start taking cross-sex hormonal replacement therapy (HRT). In my personal experience, it was almost like magic how quickly and how much I improved when my test…

You’ve wanted something for years and now at last you are getting it - that fact alone has to make a person feel happier and feel like the trajectory of their life is turning in a more positive direction. It is near impossible to determine what consequences of cross-sex HRT are due to its direct biochemical effects, and which are due to those kinds of psychological factors.

Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Post by taskforcegemini »

skissane wrote: post #69
98codes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While what they're saying is true, to me it rings just as misguided as not taking pain medicine when you have a broken leg until it has properly set first. Medication for neurological issues isn't and shouldn't be the end-all-be-all but can indeed be a way to manage the issues at hand while teaching the tools needed to deal with the symptoms via therapy if possible.

> to me it rings just as misguided as not taking pain medicine when you have a broken leg This is a bad analogy in so many ways. Most pain medications are short-acting, so one knows pretty quickly whether they work. People prescribed antidepressants are told to wait weeks to see positive results, and a large percentage of them won’t actually see any-and even those who do see positive results, it is often unclear if t…

how long were you on each? It takes a while for any changes to surface (several weeks to months). that's not the case for benzos, which have an immediate effect, but those should never be taken over a longer period.

Re: Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial

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Post by nisegami »

infogulch wrote: post #76
DangitBobby wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the takeaway here? We all know physical pain serves a purpose.

Maybe you're depressed because your life and environment is actually shit and you don't know how to fix it. Maybe taking happy pills just eliminates the only signal telling you to take your hand off the hot stove.

No depression treatment is anything close to a happy pill. Those would be more like opiates and perhaps uppers.
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