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Post by bawolff »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #83
jstarfish wrote: post #52

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If nobody is being harmed, why not. It's unpaid management experience. Giving kids responsibilities drives maturity.

Sure, but at the same time that's a lot of power to give to a random teenager (or anyone, for that matter). Case in point, I dug into it the drama here a bit more, and it seems like the kid basically just handed control of the entire Stable Diffusion Reddit and Discord communities to the Stability AI corporation, no questions asked. That creates all sorts of conflicts of interest, and it seems to have been done again…

Its an internet community. If the mod team screws up you make a new one. The stakes are really low.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by prophesi »

MerelyMortal wrote: post #69
aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #38

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How much?

Why do you want to know? I can't imagine how knowing that answer is going to make anything better for anyone here. Are you a mod of a similar service and need something to negotiate with? Even as a negotiating datapoint, it's only valuable if YC would hire you to moderate (which I doubt) and you can use that as leverage. If it was public, then random users might demand more of dang, thinking that his salary justifies…

Keeping salaries public in an industry lets you use them as a negotiating datapoint anywhere in that industry.

Not too related to the discussion, but I'm really hoping Twitch moderators start asking for a paycheck once their streamer's realtime chat reaches a certain size, as they have to stay quick and attentive for hours straight. But sadly, they often start when the streamer is smaller and work for them on their own dime and remain that way.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by AyyWS »

schoen wrote: post #53
shadowgovt wrote: post #16

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And that's going to have a titanic political-shift effect once those young folks come to voting age and start shaping policy around intellectual property ownership.

In the early-2000s "copyfight", many people theorized that the apparent support of young people for the "low-protectionist" side, or their enthusiasm for P2P file-sharing, or remixing, or fan fiction, was presaging a radical shift in copyright law once those young people grew up. A lot of them have grown up now and that shift doesn't seem to have happened on the legal side. Maybe there are some shifts in norms (e.g.…

1. They grew up.

2a. Got a job and had kids/got hobbies. Stopped caring and just subscribed to Netflix like everyone else.

--or--

2b. Created copyrightable works. Joined the protectionists.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by shadowgovt »

nullc wrote: post #91
shadowgovt wrote: post #58

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Given the dude spent half a million dollars on training SD, I wouldn't be surprised if even though he chose to open-source the trained model, he has strong opinions on whether people should have the right to choose to open-source such things vs. having third-party crackers breach their systems and publish for them.

Perhaps, but the model weights themselves are currently understood to be uncopyrightable, and it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Unless these AI companies want google and facebook to be literally the only companies in the world that can train large scale machine learning (by using their TOS to get licenses from their users) they…

If anything, in the absence of copyrightability, the only protection is trade secrecy and I'd expect Emad to be even deeper in the opinion space of "We cut off the oxygen (systematically speaking) of those who would steal trained ML data."

There's an interesting anecdote around how stand-up comedians protect jokes against theft, given how weak copyright is on jokes: it's keying cars, poisoning drinks (generally non-fatally, but it's hard to have a good night on stage when your lower GI tract wants to be elsewhere), and never-work-in-this-town-again agreements. We put these protections into the law because the alternative isn't no protection; it's people-take-it-into-their-own-hands protection.

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Post by tayo42 »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #84
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81

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> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

Absolutely. And the front page is just full of this kind of specially curated content that aligns with the moderators' views. It's propaganda, basically. Question is whose?

who is pushing for antiwork to hit the frontpage constantly?

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by silisili »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #74
silisili wrote: post #62

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Way worse than FB, I'd argue. I used to think Reddit users skewed too heavily in certain ways, and didn't make sense. One day, using some tool (removeddit, reveddit, etc), I noticed how many posts and comments were removed by moderators - things that went against the skew. It's one of the reasons places like r/politics became such an echo chamber dumpster fire.

Totally agree with you but it's nowhere near how bad facebook is. At least on reddit, opinions aren't illegal or approved by how Zucc and team see fit. Facebook is extremely ban happy and you can do absolutely nothing about it. On reddit, at the very least you can create your own sub or join subs where people won't ban you for whatever you have to say.

> create your own sub or join subs where people won't ban you for whatever you have to say

Not exactly true. the_donald, all the numerous *InAction, some morbid, etc subs were all banned. Most of them because they didn't like what people were saying, regardless of what lies Reddit comes up with for the reason.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by that_guy_iain »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

I remember at some party I was talking to some guy who moderated something. He took it super serious and took everything a bit more serious than everyone else. I got the feeling from him that he held quite a low job. So it made sense to me that he would decide the desire to do something and have power somewhere so seriously. He talked about how hard it was to place clean.

I kind of felt bad for him, but the thing is, without people like this we don't have Reddit. It just doesn't exist. Community forums and discords don't exist. Honestly, I find them annoying at times but at the same time I understand the need for them.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

aliqot wrote: post #98
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree with you but it's nowhere near how bad facebook is. At least on reddit, opinions aren't illegal or approved by how Zucc and team see fit. Facebook is extremely ban happy and you can do absolutely nothing about it. On reddit, at the very least you can create your own sub or join subs where people won't ban you for whatever you have to say.

> opinions aren't illegal The correct opinions aren't illegal. Reddit is not a bastion of free speech [0]. [0] - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/14/reddit-ce...

I didn't say it is the bastion of free speech but it's much better than whatever Facebook is.

2 reasons:

1. Reddit does not usually participate in censorship itself. It's extremely rare for reddit accounts to be banned on the whole or for users to be banned from creating communities for like minded people.

2. Reddit allows you to create your custom feed. You could sort by new, you could create your own community, you could post opinions only on your account and reddit would not care.

This is very different from how Facebook acts. The facebook algorithm is very biased, has checks for several trigger words and gradually profiles your political side and starts getting stricter as time passes.

In my last 1-3 years on Facebook, I was been banned for at least 6 times and no I'm not a political person. I was banned for either posting an image that facebook algorithm didn't approve of, opinion on tech that somebody else attacked me for or in general, not being the person facebook ideologically asked me to be.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by CameronNemo »

pnathan wrote: post #41

reddit mod management is a bit haywire. I am mod at a rather largish subreddit (> 750K subs/readers), and despite the top mod being gone from the subreddit for something like 6? years now and virtually inactive on reddit, I can't get him removed. I've gone through channels but, sigh.

Have you thought about moving to a Lemmy instance? When a platform neglects you with no recourse, that seems like the best option from my POV.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Ajedi32 »

bawolff wrote: post #101
Ajedi32 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but at the same time that's a lot of power to give to a random teenager (or anyone, for that matter). Case in point, I dug into it the drama here a bit more, and it seems like the kid basically just handed control of the entire Stable Diffusion Reddit and Discord communities to the Stability AI corporation, no questions asked. That creates all sorts of conflicts of interest, and it seems to have been done again…

Its an internet community. If the mod team screws up you make a new one. The stakes are really low.

That true to some extent, but it's also a bit like saying that if Facebook screws up we can just make a new Facebook and move everyone there. It's not that simple; there are huge network effects at play here.

Other considerations:

- Obviously from a purely technical perspective, making a new subreddit is easier than coding and deploying a new Facebook

- It's less friction for a user to subscribe to a new subreddit than to sign up for a new website

+ The name of a subreddit can contribute to its popularity quite a bit. The community can make a new subreddit, but not a new /r/StableDiffusion

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