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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by colordrops »

TekMol wrote: post #12

I recently posted on a subreddit that has the name of a big company. The post became popular. I could not believe my eyes, when some hours later, the post was edited. I have never seen that before. Mods cannot edit users posts, right? Do some companies have superpowers on their sub, or did they reach out to Reddit to change the post?

The admins have done it and even admitted to it. Reddit is a for-profit corporation and has no obligation to maintain integrity unfortunately. They are beholden to shareholders and will do what their large customers ask.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by jstarfish »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #48
d23 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having difficulty seeing how this comment relates to the post.

It's relevant because the moderator in the OP is a teenager and I question if kids should be handed the reigns to moderate like this no questions asked.

If nobody is being harmed, why not. It's unpaid management experience.

Giving kids responsibilities drives maturity.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by schoen »

shadowgovt wrote: post #16
minimaxir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The /r/StableDiffusion subreddit appears to skew younger, surprisingly. Open source AI art has likely been the biggest catalyst of getting teenagers interested in computer science/machine learning in years.

And that's going to have a titanic political-shift effect once those young folks come to voting age and start shaping policy around intellectual property ownership.

In the early-2000s "copyfight", many people theorized that the apparent support of young people for the "low-protectionist" side, or their enthusiasm for P2P file-sharing, or remixing, or fan fiction, was presaging a radical shift in copyright law once those young people grew up.

A lot of them have grown up now and that shift doesn't seem to have happened on the legal side. Maybe there are some shifts in norms (e.g. many authors and publishers used to loudly maintain that fan fiction was not a fair use, but most seem to have decided that it would be a bad idea to sue over it, and it's become more normalized overall), but not much in legislation!

So I'm not sure this outcome is in any way guaranteed.

(Larry Lessig also said that his foray into copyright activism had convinced him that campaign finance was an obstacle to having legislation reflect public opinion. Not every issue is a "campaign issue", but some issues that legislators don't directly campaign on are very important to donors. Lessig concluded that copyright was one of those.)

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by shadowgovt »

moffkalast wrote: post #37
shadowgovt wrote: post #10

I'm not familiar with Reddit's rules here: do they generally allow minors to mod a subreddit?

On the internet nobody knows you're a dog.

... until it matters, and issues like "Minors can't enter into contracts" result in someone getting their account unceremoniously ping-ponged around because they have fewer rights than an adult.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by lrae »

webdoodle wrote: post #42
wsb_mod wrote: post #25

Unbelievable behavior from SD. The subreddit is currently an unmoderated mess, illustrating they have no clue how to run the community. I am unsurprised at Discord's behavior, handing over a server like that. They have essentially been hostile when not silent to us at WSB with our 600K user server. Reddit has an opportunity to do better here. Hand back control of r/StableDiffusion back to OP. Steve Huffman alluded to…

Could you link to the Mod Summit your talking about? I wonder if 'sub transitions' is code for stealing subreddits from mods the admins don't politically agree with.

Those are not public. Invite only.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by minimaxir »

shadowgovt wrote: post #26
twobitshifter wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is NAI related to SD in any way?

Different trained model, which was extracted from its creator via unauthorized system access and is illicitly available via BitTorrent. The drama appears to have started because an open-source developer who wrote a web frontend to control SD adapted that frontend to control the hacked model also, which has offended SD's CEO (because of the general principle of "Don't help software pirates"). The additional drama incl…

> which has offended SD's CEO (because of the general principle of "Don't help software pirates").

There is likely a legal threat by NAI involved in the decision calculus here.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by shadowgovt »

ShamelessC wrote: post #43
shadowgovt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different trained model, which was extracted from its creator via unauthorized system access and is illicitly available via BitTorrent. The drama appears to have started because an open-source developer who wrote a web frontend to control SD adapted that frontend to control the hacked model also, which has offended SD's CEO (because of the general principle of "Don't help software pirates"). The additional drama incl…

Damn, Emad seems sort of clueless? Hard rules about software piracy like that feel very 90's and totally unnecessary. Just avoid explicitly condoning any projects and move past it! It will be old news in like 2 weeks at the current rate of things.

Given the dude spent half a million dollars on training SD, I wouldn't be surprised if even though he chose to open-source the trained model, he has strong opinions on whether people should have the right to choose to open-source such things vs. having third-party crackers breach their systems and publish for them.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by ALittleLight »

I don't really understand what's being alleged here. Nothing really seems bad to me. This person helped out when Stable Diffusion was much smaller by being a mod and creating a discord server. The op seems to say that Stable Diffusion was generally nice to him but communicated taking the discord channel poorly - okay, so?

If you're working with people, especially on a rapidly moving startup, sometimes things aren't going to be communicated well. If the people are, on net, good to you with some problems shouldn't you be working with those people to improve problems rather than writing reddit exposès?

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