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Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by thesaint »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #8
larodi wrote: post #4

All the we-pay-noone to participate is very weird in 2022 when information technology industries are potentially among the wealthiest. And particularly when the events are non-free-admission.

This is not an industry conference. This is a hacker conference, by the community, for the community. Many people involved are students, who really benefit from the admission prices being as low as they are, and the cool projects you see around the assembly area are so cool because they are from tinkerers, people with time (which is often mutually exclusive with money), people who do cool stuff. Paying the speakers w…

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by exolymph »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

"Satire" isn't the right designation — it's trolling, which is related but distinct (and permits but does not require sincerity).

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by Foxboron »

dijit wrote: post #95
Foxboron wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. There isn't anything published around this. But you can maybe find traces of the posters on social media. They where an iteration of the "Birds doesn't exist..." posters which was a meme during that years CCC.

This is very new information to me and I followed the drama closely at the time as I have friends on both sides. I would appreciate a citation as nobody has mentioned anti-trans posters. What was mentioned is that there had been conflict the year before and that Vincent was told he wasn’t welcome, which was the root of the escalation.

Well, the dead account has some links which I won't repost. Feel free to reach out over IRC or email if you want other/more links I guess.

From what I gather is that the conflict around the website started at 35C3 with the posters and the general shitposting. It was pinned to the cock.li assembly and vc was then asked to not come back. Which they did 36C3 and resulted in the above video.

Whether or not vc knew all of this, or was directly involved, I don't know.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by anthk »

farhaven wrote: post #20
sprash wrote: post #9

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You mean the CCC that was founded in the rooms of leftist newspaper TAZ at a table that was stolen from the anarcho-left commune "Kommune 1"? If you don't understand that the CCC is and has always been anti-fascist, you're way off the path, friend. Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.

You can even read TAZ officially under the Gopher protocol :p

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by farhaven »

3l3ktr4 wrote: post #85

Does anyone know how can I join the org team?

The sibling already answered in broad strokes. For the current congress, you're probably too late. Organizing the thing started, if I remember that correctly, somewhere around May/June this year.

There's multiple levels of organization, grouped under the various *OCs (Foo Operations Center), the best place to get to know them and get involved is at the congress through angel shifts. The second best place is probably to hang out in the various German/Swiss/Austrian hackerspaces during the year and getting to know people who are part of the orga.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by pclmulqdq »

exolymph wrote: post #102
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

"Satire" isn't the right designation — it's trolling, which is related but distinct (and permits but does not require sincerity).

At some point in the future, people will be studying and analyzing 4chan trolling the way they analyzed British political satire rags of the 1800s.

It is a new form of writing, though. Satire, today, is thought of as something that is known to be false, while trolling seems to be characterized by a sort of "stochastic truth" where the author is purposely ambiguous about whether they believe it or not. It lets the author of a piece of trolling say things that are clearly over the line, and mean it. It lets the author walk back the statements if they are unpopular and lean in if they are popular.

I do wonder if original pieces of satire and parody from hundreds of years ago were written with the intention of the same ambiguity of truth.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by atoav »

anthk wrote: post #103

>Social sciences No.

There have been quite some interesting social science talks at the last iterations of the congress. E.g. regarding the interaction between technology and society, quantitative analysis on bots on social media and such.

So whatever weird prejudice you seem to showcase here, maybe it is worth considering to get over yourself for something that interests... hackers. It is a hacker conference after all, and believe it or not technology also intersects with social sciences in interesting ways.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by nmilo »

codethief wrote: post #92
6stringmerc wrote: post #29

>We also welcome submissions that present a theoretical reflection on the impact of new technologies on artistic practices and forms of expression. Finally, the perfect forum to deliver my perspective of ML and AI current state of music and the outlook for the next 1, 3, and 5 years. There will be a lot of hurt feelings. It will be very constructive however and show the roadmap between artists and engineers that is y…

> To use a simile, the current level of ML/AI music is about on par with a precocious elementary student with a basic understanding of an Akai MPC. Uhhmm… https://www.beethovenx-ai.com/

And how much training and guiding did that take? It's not like they hit "generate" and the first try made some good music. This definitely took a ton of human guidance and curation.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by rsynnott »

UltimateEdge wrote: post #40

I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.

Always assumed it was because no-one else wanted the conference centre at that time of year, so it was cheap.
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