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German rail operator says train disruption caused by sabotage

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Re: German rail operator says train disruption caused by sabotage

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"We know that at two different locations in Germany the cables were cut wantonly and deliberately." What an expression of infantility. What will happen next? Germany-wide internet blackout because someone accidentally pulled the power cable from the router?

Thanks for all the downvotes. The point is - how can such a neuralgic facility not be secured? Deutsche Bahn is part of the critical infrastructure - and no one has carried out a vulnerability analysis? No one has thought about how this critical infrastructure can be attacked? According to the newspaper WELT AM SONNTAG, a team of forensic experts is now at work. So it must be a place that can be entered, manipulated…

How exactly did your brain turn "cable that runs along the train track" into a "neuralgic facility"?

Your seem to think this a problem of uncontrolled physical access, when it is about redundancy and why cutting so few cables can create a service outage in large parts of north-western germany. Did you know that, by cutting just a few cables, overland lines that are easily accessible, large parts of the USA would have electricity blackouts? That we would need cameras and fences and motion detectors and security checkpoints along thousands of kilometers of cables to secure physical access? Even if we bury them instead of running them overland? As if digging is hard. The problem is not about access to some facility, it is about a lack of redundancy in what should be a network.

Re: German rail operator says train disruption caused by sabotage

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In case anyone things this has anything to do with the current Russia situation, it most likely has not. Stuff like that happens every few years on larger scale and sometimes multiple times a year on smaller scale (e.g. part of Berlin local trains not going because of it). A lot of this sabotage comes from people trying to steal cables, but then also sometimes giving up in the process. Then there a climate crazed peo…

> climate crazed people You obviously have an agenda. None of these groups blame "trains".

nop, no agenda

also the reason I use "climate crazed" instead of idk. climate activists is because I do not mean climate activists. I also _do not_ mean climate activists which use more extreme measurements and are sometimes portrayed as crazy by the media.

But there are people which have gone beyond any form of logical reasoning in all kinds of movements. This including climate related movements but also pretty much any other bigger movement asking for a lot of change. And there had already been cases of people attacking German train infrastructure "because trains are to expensive and as such partially at fault of climate change". And just because this people are beyond reasoning wrt. their ideological believes doesn't mean they are stupid or incompetent.

Through it wasn't the bast choice of an example. Thinking about it it was a very terrible choice for an example.

EDIT: Also using crazed was a bad word choice, too.

Re: German rail operator says train disruption caused by sabotage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in north-east Poland we're quite used to it. The most frequent are GPS spoofing and lte jamming. Its not like they even try to hide their location or anything. If I was to put my tinfoil hat on I would say those current attacks concentrate on Germany because due to long standing influence of Russians on German politics German's political class is a de-facto ally of Russia (against the will of its own population)…

I don't buy that theory. First of all: outside of the party "Die Linke" and the left wing of the SPD, there's little ideological friendship to Russia in German politics, it's either regular corruption (Gerhard Schröder) or industrial politics ("you give us cheap energy, we keep our eyes closed and don't mention the smell"). If anything, actions like these will make Germans more willing to spend extra money on defense…

>don't buy that theory. First of all: outside of the party "Die Linke" and the left wing of the SPD, there's little ideological friendship to Russia in German politics, it's either regular corruption (Gerhard Schröder) or industrial politics ("you give us cheap energy, we keep our eyes closed and don't mention the smell").

You don't buy what? Why does there have to be "ideological friendship" for two groups of criminals to cooperate and root for each other? It has been obvious to anyone looking at actual actions made rather than words and political theater.

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