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Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by goosedragons »

q-big wrote: post #82
goosedragons wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap. And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or ins…

> PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. On the other hand: currently, you can hardly get a PS5 or Xbox Series X for this price (because of chip shortages and scalpers). ;-)

And until super recently because of that same shortage and scalpers you could barely find a decent GPU for MSRP. ;-)

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by raydev »

goosedragons wrote: post #80
spywaregorilla wrote: post #7

Consoles seem like a dumb idea to me. They were great when split screen was the main form of multiplayer. Now multiplayer has largely moved online. Finding local co-op / competitive games is kind of hard, and of the few that still come out, few of them are console specific. If you're colocated with your friends, playing together may not be possible unless you want to bring along another console and hook it up to anot…

PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap. And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or ins…

Xbox sweetens the deal even further with Xbox All Access.

For $40CAD/month, I got an Xbox Series X and Game Pass. I pay off the console in 2 years with no additional interest, and I immediately had access to a library of great games when I first turned it on.

I also have a $3000 240fps Fortnite gaming machine (Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3090) because I'm serious about competitive Fortnite. But I acknowledge the absurdity of that.

Also despite all my PC parts being made in the last two years, it still takes approximately 20 seconds to get to the desktop, I have to wait on the Epic launcher to do whatever it does, or Steam takes 5-10 seconds to load/update, and launching a game like Fortnite takes another 10-20 seconds.

If I want to play a game on the Xbox, all that time waiting for boot+desktop+Epic/Steam launcher is simply removed.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by raydev »

q-big wrote: post #82
goosedragons wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap. And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or ins…

> PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. On the other hand: currently, you can hardly get a PS5 or Xbox Series X for this price (because of chip shortages and scalpers). ;-)

I think the Series X is consistently in stock in Canada now. People who want the PS5 still need to be vigilant and track store inventories.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by MikusR »

zimpenfish wrote: post #97
MikusR wrote: post #93

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Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop.

> Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop. FOR YOU . For me , it can (and I am on hdd.) Don't presume that your experience is the experience of everyone - there's literally no way that can be true.

That means that something is wrong with your setup. Long startup times can be caused by badblocks in waiting on your hdd.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by zimpenfish »

MikusR wrote: post #104
zimpenfish wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop. FOR YOU . For me , it can (and I am on hdd.) Don't presume that your experience is the experience of everyone - there's literally no way that can be true.

That means that something is wrong with your setup. Long startup times can be caused by badblocks in waiting on your hdd.

> Long startup times can be caused by badblocks

Windows reports (as of yesterday afternoon) no problems with any of my drives.

> That means that something is wrong with your setup.

Sure, possibly, but I installed Windows 10 on a clean drive in a new PC a couple of years back and if that's "setup wrong", how the hell is anyone supposed to get it right?

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by lttlrck »

izzydata wrote: post #42
coldpie wrote: post #19

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Driver updates. OS updates. Driver update broke HDMI. OS update broke my controller config. Steam update broke my controller config. Bluetooth controller randomly unpairs every other week. Game picks the wrong sound device so now it's coming out of the TV instead of my wireless headphones. Some game doesn't work with gamepad so I guess I need a wireless kb/m now, too. Oop game lost focus because of a Chrome update di…

There is no fundamental reason why a PC can't be made to be like a console due to the fact that consoles are just PCs. It's pretty darn simple already, but Microsoft could take it one step further by having some kind of boot into gaming mode that does everything for you.

That'd be great but they would still have all the driver luggage.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by lttlrck »

dmonitor wrote: post #87
coldpie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driver updates. OS updates. Driver update broke HDMI. OS update broke my controller config. Steam update broke my controller config. Bluetooth controller randomly unpairs every other week. Game picks the wrong sound device so now it's coming out of the TV instead of my wireless headphones. Some game doesn't work with gamepad so I guess I need a wireless kb/m now, too. Oop game lost focus because of a Chrome update di…

Consoles need updates too. Never had a driver update break HDMI, and I can't see how that is a thing in current year. Steam fixed controllers with their controller API. Changing the sound device is two button clicks. Consoles have system updates that remove features. Consoles add advertisements to the home screen. They can only play games approved by the hardware manufacturer, from their store, and pay their 30% "sub…

It's almost as if different people like different things?

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by _piif »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #84
goosedragons wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap. And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or ins…

A PS5 costs $500 for an offline unit. Play your PS5 online for a year and you've just racked up $60-$120 extra. Play it online for 5 years and you've paid $300-$600 extra.

Ok so for the price of an equilevant high end PC I can buy a console and get around 5 years of online play out of it. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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