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Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by DrBazza »

ziddoap wrote: post #60
DrBazza wrote: post #53

I stopped knowingly buying all things Sony because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... That made me switch to the XBox One, and I was quite happy with it. I've not knowingly paid directly for anything Sony. Indirectly, I've watched Spiderman on cable, so I expect my cable provider paid them pennies out of my monthly fee.

A quick ctrl+f on that Cinavia wiki page doesn't have any matches for Sony. Could you enlighten me on what relevance Cinavia has, specific to Sony? Xbox also does DRM, is there a reason why you are okay with that DRM?

Cinavia was stuffed into the PS2 (or PS3?) with no publicity, as part of the increasing blu-ray DRM and advertised as as blu-ray player that actually wouldn't play some legitimate blu-rays.

(and blu-ray was a Sony invention - https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00017948)

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by MikusR »

haunter wrote: post #68
spywaregorilla wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't you turn on your pc and play games?

Not sure why are getting dowvoted. Honestly every MS thread here on HN is a shit show. Maybe I live in a fairy land but I never ever had a problem. Cold boot Windows 10 + launching any game and I'm in the main menu in 50s (and I only have an i7-7700 + GTX 1070). Have a PS5 right next to me and I can't start games faster at all. The claims here in the comments are especially baffling when I assume HN is a very technic…

That's because they are using macbooks. And only turn their couple year old PC once a year to play a game.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by MikusR »

zimpenfish wrote: post #69
spywaregorilla wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't you turn on your pc and play games?

From turning on my PC to being able to play is 1) 2 minutes to get to a Windows login; 2) 1-3 minutes to get to a desktop; 3) 10-20 minutes whilst {Steam updates, GOG updates, Oculus starts, GeForce desktop deigns to launch, etc.} making everything else unresponsive; 4) 2-5 minutes for a game to start - assuming it does, I think I'm currently running 50-50 on Binding of Isaac launching correctly vs just hanging. Mine…

Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by jmpman »

The 360 had the best user interface. The jump to metro+Kinect was a bozo move. Sticking with Metro still pisses me off anytime I play Xbox. The reason I play Xbox is to escape my day to day work, and now it just feels like I’m a Windows admin. When I play Halo once a month, the thing still needs to update, even though I’ve told it to automatically update in the background - wth? That’s not the experience I want. Don’t get my started on how difficult it is to get multiplayer working, and then we screw around for 10 minutes because someone’s headphones or microphone isn’t working, because Microsoft decided to force non standard hardware. The Microsoft headsets are great, but you always have one friend whose wife bought them some buggy turtle beach headset for Xmas. Literally Halo and my friend network are the only thing keeping me on the Xbox platform, and they can’t even get Halo online coop multiplayer working - ? 8 months ?

Microsoft should just make their in house developed games free at this point. I’m not paying for gamepass. Their games should be included in Xbox live.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by spywaregorilla »

dageshi wrote: post #89
spywaregorilla wrote: post #24

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I don't buy it. These things have been way more accessible than people thought. Building your own PC has been stupidly expensive due the crypto crunch. Buying a midrange prebuilt has been fine. Play a console for several years and you'll also see several hundred dollars disappear to online subscriptions and controllers and what not.

I don't believe you can get a "mid-range" prebuilt for $500 that compares to one of the consoles in raw horse power. I don't think you could do it now, let alone over the past 2 years. Certainly at launch of those consoles, there was no chance.

A $500 console that requires $60/year to play online over a short 5 year lifespan costs $800. The premium service on PS5 costs $120/year if that's what you want.

Now here's the thing. I don't care about "horse power". It really does not matter. This time I get to say, "I just want to play". And that's what I do. I don't think about the graphics, and they're fine. Tbh, on my $800 black friday from four years ago RTX 2080 LAPTOP, that's meant max graphics settings + raytracing on every title I've tried. But I also wouldn't care if I needed to set them to Low.

Being able to run a game on lower graphical settings if it's a bit above your paygrade is a lot better than not being able to run it at all.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by ectospheno »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #7

Consoles seem like a dumb idea to me. They were great when split screen was the main form of multiplayer. Now multiplayer has largely moved online. Finding local co-op / competitive games is kind of hard, and of the few that still come out, few of them are console specific. If you're colocated with your friends, playing together may not be possible unless you want to bring along another console and hook it up to anot…

I’m almost 50 and my kids are over 18. I don’t multiplayer game. I can tell you why I exclusively console game and don’t build pcs anymore: time.

I do enough computer work at work. When I get home I want to sit in my recliner and play games. I don’t want to get the thing to work. I never want to fix it. I never want to find an unofficial patch. I just want to play some games.

Every second I spend on the hobby not doing the hobby is wasted.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by zimpenfish »

MikusR wrote: post #93
zimpenfish wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From turning on my PC to being able to play is 1) 2 minutes to get to a Windows login; 2) 1-3 minutes to get to a desktop; 3) 10-20 minutes whilst {Steam updates, GOG updates, Oculus starts, GeForce desktop deigns to launch, etc.} making everything else unresponsive; 4) 2-5 minutes for a game to start - assuming it does, I think I'm currently running 50-50 on Binding of Isaac launching correctly vs just hanging. Mine…

Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop.

> Even on hdd it doesn't take 5 minutes to get to desktop.

FOR YOU. For me, it can (and I am on hdd.) Don't presume that your experience is the experience of everyone - there's literally no way that can be true.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by ghaff »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #35
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #30

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The Wii was fun when it first came out. Unfortunately it seemed that all the games that came subsequently focused on the gimmicky nature of the Wii. Or maybe it was just a fad. Either way, got a lot more value from the Wii for the year or so I used it religiously than the many years I've had my XBone.

Imo, nintendo suffers this curse where they make great hardware, but then for reasons unclear, nobody except Nintendo is able to leverage it. I'm willing to believe it's nintendo's fault in sharing dev resources but idk. The wii was great. Wii sports was amazing. The Wii U was also really awesome and the wii sports equivalent, nintendo land, was really good. the asymmetric screens for multiplayer were super fun. Nobo…

I think both you and the parent probably hit on the main points. I think it was something of a fad and after the novelty wore off, some of the limitations became more apparent over time. And, while I played a few games quite a bit (Wii Sports, a couple of different tennis games, snowboarding) over probably about a year, the only other game I played through was World of Goo and it would probably have been just as good on my PC. Certainly after the original sports games, nothing new came along from either Nintendo or a third party that really grabbed my attention.

I set it back up at one point but it never grabbed me again.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by goosedragons »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #84
goosedragons wrote: post #80

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PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap. And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or ins…

A PS5 costs $500 for an offline unit. Play your PS5 online for a year and you've just racked up $60-$120 extra. Play it online for 5 years and you've paid $300-$600 extra.

Depends on the game. Free to play games like Apex Legends and Fortnite are free to play online on both Xbox and Switch and PlayStation.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by spywaregorilla »

goosedragons wrote: post #99
spywaregorilla wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A PS5 costs $500 for an offline unit. Play your PS5 online for a year and you've just racked up $60-$120 extra. Play it online for 5 years and you've paid $300-$600 extra.

Depends on the game. Free to play games like Apex Legends and Fortnite are free to play online on both Xbox and Switch and PlayStation.

Generally an outlier
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