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Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by labcomputer »

donmcronald wrote: post #35
thehappypm wrote: post #33

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I hate that you cant sideload today but its gonna lead to tons of malware

Alternatively we may end up with better app stores with far less malware and trash. As much as apple enthusiasts like to claim the app store is as good as it can get, there's a ton of room for improvement IMO. Just getting rid of the games that prey on children and addiction would be a good start.

Alternatively, Apple will loosen restrictions on what App Store (tm) apps can do to prevent profitable apps (for Apple) from moving to alternate app stores.

But, you know, I can just not install those app stores so it totally won't affect me, right? Thanks guys! /s

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by Teever »

_rend wrote: post #79
root_axis wrote: post #48

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Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them. I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in…

I share your concerns but the immediate response I have to them is "needs more regulation."

We shouldn't let Meta take advantage of regulations towards Apple. We should use it as an opportunity to write more regulation of both of these entities for the purpose of serving the end user.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by tomxor »

freediver wrote: post #100
tomxor wrote: post #99

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You can pull my analogy to pieces all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are using apple-webkit, when you use any browser on iOS, not gecko, not blink... and unlike a car, the browser engine makes up 99% of what the browser does. but if you want to argue that bookmark syncing and shit is a significant feature, i mean sure whatever, i think you need to open your eyes.

So Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers, just 1% different?

yes.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by TimWillebrands »

Teever wrote: post #102
_rend wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them. I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in…

I share your concerns but the immediate response I have to them is "needs more regulation." We shouldn't let Meta take advantage of regulations towards Apple. We should use it as an opportunity to write more regulation of both of these entities for the purpose of serving the end user.

More regulations to fix the regulations?

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by vinay427 »

freediver wrote: post #31
MBCook wrote: post #11

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Everything is still Safari underneath. That’s probably never changing as long as Apple has a say (that new EU law may force it). But this would mean you could use ApplePay from the current FireFox app.

You mean everything is WebKit underneath. Safari and Chrome on iOS are very different browsers.

No, I believe they meant Safari underneath, which is often used as shorthand for the specific rendering engine based on WebKit that powers Safari on iOS and comes with its own quirks. Chrome does not use the same engine on any other platform as it has deviated significantly.

The section on “Apple’s Open Source Claim” in this blog post [1] goes into a lot more detail on the relationship between Safari, WebKit, and the Chrome/Chromium rendering engine.

[1] https://infrequently.org/2021/08/webkit-ios-deep-dive/

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by rtpg »

zaptrem wrote: post #32
sandstrom wrote: post #25

Probably preparations due to the upcoming EU framework. As a short summary, here are some of the new EU requirements on gatekeepers such as Apple. Gatekeepers must: - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. - Allow developers to offer third-party payment systems in apps and promote offers outside the gatekeeper's platforms. - Allow developers to integrate their…

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

I don’t think this means that the iOS permissions system doesn’t stay in place. This is basically “you can’t just allowlist certain phone features to your own software”

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by Schroedingersat »

_rend wrote: post #79
root_axis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them. I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in…

Luckily that same legislation designates whatsapp as a gatekeepee and so they have to open up their api

whether they stonewall oss clients with attestation for 'security' remains to be seen

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by laurensr »

freediver wrote: post #100
tomxor wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pull my analogy to pieces all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are using apple-webkit, when you use any browser on iOS, not gecko, not blink... and unlike a car, the browser engine makes up 99% of what the browser does. but if you want to argue that bookmark syncing and shit is a significant feature, i mean sure whatever, i think you need to open your eyes.

So Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers, just 1% different?

Correct, as Apple forces all 3rd party browsers to use their rendering engine.

It's like using a winforms webbrowser control in .NET and giving the window a title with your own brand name.

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