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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by tiahura » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

My understanding is that the mRNA vaccines, in a round about way, trick the body into thinking it’s infected with the spike protein in order to trigger an immune system response. Is it really so surprising that one of the body’s many responses to viral infection is to alter reproductive activities? Skimming the article, I don’t see reference to other vaccines, but wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume they also cause menstrual changes?

“gender-affirming hormone treatments” - How did we get to a point where double-speak was acceptable?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by rustybelt » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:06 PM UTC

junofan wrote: post #82

bsaul wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem now is that so many people, in so many fields, relayed that "everything's safe, if you disagree or dare casting doubts you're an a ti-science sociopath", that it's going to be super super hard for them to admit they were wrong.

I think a similar thing happened with the 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine. It remains unvacated.

For others like me who had to Google this, it was for the development of the lobotomy.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by NullPrefix » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:07 PM UTC

junofan wrote: post #82

bsaul wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem now is that so many people, in so many fields, relayed that "everything's safe, if you disagree or dare casting doubts you're an a ti-science sociopath", that it's going to be super super hard for them to admit they were wrong.

I think a similar thing happened with the 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine. It remains unvacated.

Could you elaborate a bit more on that Nobel Prize?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by PKop » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #76

PKop wrote: post #11

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I find this hard to believe. It’s beneficial for everyone including manufacturers for their products to be proven safe. If we assume manufacturers are intentionally malicious, what prevents them from outright submitting a dummy saline shot for testing instead of the real thing, guaranteeing absolutely zero side-effects?

>It’s beneficial for everyone including manufacturers for their products to be proven safe

Yes, and to many on here, "they were"...and the company benefited from that. Make sense?

It would also benefit the company to cut corners, do as much as they can but not stop the rollout for more, which would take years to be "proven" beyond some threshold as safe.

Much of this proof would require long term testing, impossible to do up front so they would benefit from just releasing them anyways.

>what prevents them

Perhaps there is some optimal range, within which they benefit from best-effort (in a given period of time) attempt at producing what they think does something, what they think doesn't do bad things, and then releasing in full volume to cash in. Everything I'm saying doesn't require them to be nefarious either, even just a little negligence can result in "not actually safe".

If they have cover from government, media, and a willing populace ready to assume safety and efficacy, then what do they have to lose?

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by lelandfe » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #43

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Many people had concerns about the vaccine rollout. Not because we were worried about some 5G nanoparticle Bill Gates conspiracy nonsense but because of the potential unknown side effects. Doing a trial on a few hundred thousand and then rolling out to billions is like testing your changes locally and then pushing them straight to production. "But human bodies are not anything like software dev" I hear you say. You'r…

> because of the potential unknown side effects

Without trying to inflame the rhetoric in this discussion (I feel like HN is one of the few places that this is possible) – will this be your stance on new vaccines and medicines going forward?

"Potential unknown side effects" is a critique that can be levied against almost any medical approval process, but the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety over the last ~70 years.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by bandyaboot » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

throwaway406382 wrote: post #69

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such. I'm actuall…

No actual professional would do something like what you’re doing here. Very hard to believe this is anything but pure bullshit.

Edit: it’s pretty sad that there are people who have such an ingrained agenda that they have convinced themselves that, yes, this IS how a professional involved in a scientific public health study behaves.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by slg » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #55

slg wrote: post #24

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This lack of foresight is not something specific to this vaccine. It is the male bias ingrained in most western medicine. Due to fear of how experimental medicines will impact fertility and pregnancy, males are usually overrepresented in clinical trials which makes female specific side effects much harder to detect.

I'd accept the male bias approach for almost anything except the Covid vax. There was a huge segment of society angrily screaming at everyone that everything was perfectly safe, if you didn't take it you were anti-vax and wanted to kill grandma. It was absolutely insanity on every social media channel. I'm sure some nuanced bits were lost in the noise, but it was virtually impossible to openly discuss even hesitation…

> There was a huge segment of society angrily screaming at everyone that everything was perfectly safe, if you didn't take it you were anti-vax and wanted to kill grandma. It was absolutely insanity on every social media channel. I'm sure some nuanced bits were lost in the noise, but it was virtually impossible to openly discuss even hesitation to vaccinate, much less complications.

Except when it came to people who were pregnant or hoping to get pregnant. There was relatively open discussion of the potential health impacts in those situations because those were not well understood due to the previously mentioned bias.

The general consensus at the time was to get the vaccine, because the thought was that any side effects would be less severe than potentially getting Covid without that extra protection. But those recommendations usually came with a lot more “discuss it with your doctor” disclaimers than the overall “just get it” recommendations for the rest of the population who wasn’t thinking about pregnancies.

That slight reservation shows that it wasn’t just a huge coverup to get people vaxxed. It was a genuine lack of knowledge because of how these medicines are almost always tested.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by magicalhippo » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Yeah my SO had a very regular cycle before getting the vaccine (Pfizer). After the first shot it got totally out of whack. The doctors say they don't know why that is yet immediately follow up by saying "but the vaccine is completely safe".

I'm no anti-vaxxer, but that trips my BS alert bigtime. All I hear is "duck and cover".

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by OrangeMonkey » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:10 PM UTC

PKop wrote: post #15

skuhn wrote: post #13

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This study began in April 2021 and the paper was published in July 2022. Presuming that the amount of time spent was necessary to thoroughly gather, review and document the findings, what would you have wanted done differently?

Not taken the vax if your health and age profile didn't merit it, given the unknown unknowns and lack of long term testing, which many people highlighted endlessly for the past year or so. Public concessions exactly to your point that long term testing takes time , and assertions to the contrary that tere are no risks of x, y, z were blatant sophistry intended to silence legitimate criticism. These vaccines were mand…

I work in healthcare and life sciences, I am vaxed, and I can say I fully believe you are correct.

I have to attest and show my vax cards to keep my job or get a new one and - of all things - we had to show vax cards to go to a behind the scene animal encounter at a zoo. Does the vaccinne stop us from catching it or from giving it to others? There is no evidence, yet, that it does.

Am I having to weasel word my post here in the concern that my account will be banned from hacker news even though this is literally what I do for a living? Yes. Yes I am.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by peter422 » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 11:10 PM UTC

manwe150 wrote: post #91

throwaway406382 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a throwaway because of the potential backlash...This paper is pure bull. They did a survey of 30k people and asked them about their experience and then said that the vaccine didn't cause anything and that we should trust our institutions. They didn't even have a control (unvaccinated) group! Just 30k vaccinated folks who responded to a survey about whether they perceived more/less bleeding, and such. I'm actuall…

How bad is it for health? This paper also notes that the virus itself is of great concern foremost, so any conclusion must be in comparison to the alternative (aka the control group): “Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term [by the virus], particularly in those with long COVID (32–35)” It seems so many commenters here miss that sentence, and live in…

“Placebo Effect Accounts for More Than Two-Thirds of COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Events, Researchers Find”

https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effec...

It seems very unintuitive but when you have these studies without a control they are shockingly biased… not due to anybody’s fault, just human nature.