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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ars » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

divbzero wrote: post #72

> The urgency that prevailed in 2020 has evaporated. I know parents of young children who are extremely disappointed that it took less than a year to trial and approve the first COVID-19 vaccine for adults, and then a full year and a half to trial and approve the first COVID-19 vaccine for children under 5.

That's because it basically doesn't work for children. It's nothing to do with the speed of the trial, the vaccine just doesn't work in children.

Even the approved one that exists today barely does anything. There were a ton of attempts before that that simply straight out didn't work.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by osigurdson » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

>> the current 7-day average is 380 deaths per day

Stop counting simple deaths. Instead count years of life lost vs average life expectancy.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by tshaddox » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:01 AM UTC

jtc331 wrote: post #63

KennyBlanken wrote: post #25

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I would expect someone to believe this before COVID if they hadn’t done any research of vaccines beyond the dictionary definition. But of course this is absolutely false. Many (perhaps most) vaccines in regular use “only” reduce the spread of infection within the body and reduce the risk of serious symptoms.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by sterlind » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:02 AM UTC

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things were bad before. now most people have antibodies, and now covid isn't causing much pneumonia, but don't you remember how bad it was? healthy middle-aged people were dying, hospitals were overloaded, people were on ventilators and getting lung transplants. case fatality rate was 2%.

it's better now, but the virus was horrible in 2020.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by Terretta » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:03 AM UTC

robhunter wrote: post #40

jameshart wrote: post #20

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What, with respect to vaccines, specifically, would you say has undermined trust? Was there some massive scandalous plague of side effects caused by a carelessly approved vaccine that I missed?

No, it's probably that the public was lead to believe the vaccines eliminated or materially & permanently reduced transmission of the virus.

The pre-media-mangled epidemiology messaging early was never COVID zero, it was flatten curve and slow the spread, while messaging on vax was never bulletproof but reduction in personal outcome risk and lower prevalence.

Politicized media and partisan pundits (both pro and online commenters) reduced nuance of vax research showing both R and outcomes effects to ‘it doesn’t work’ or ‘it makes you impervious’, both of which resulted in people ignoring other simple measures either from lack of faith or too much faith.

From there, inevitable discussions like these threads.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by ars » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

This is the wrong discussion - what's needed is a vaccine that actually lasts for more than 6 months before immunity fades.

I remember reading very early in COVID how experts said finding a vaccine would be very difficult because we've never been able to generate long lasting immunity to corona viruses. And they were hoping COVID would be different.

Turns out - it's not different.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by SquareWheel » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:08 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #74

peter422 wrote: post #28

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But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

Pfizer did not accept US government funding, and as such did not have to share the same data that other companies did.

You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by rayiner » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:08 AM UTC

infradig wrote: post #81

joeman1000 wrote: post #73

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We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.

That was 2021, nowadays no one here gives a crap whether you're vaxed or boosted or even wearing a mask or not.

Covid deaths are higher now in the US than this time a year ago and nobody gives a shit. Half the country demonized the other half of the country for reaching the same state of indifference 6-8 months earlier than they did.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by peter422 » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:10 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #74

peter422 wrote: post #28

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But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download

You think the FDA is going to make a decision about a vaccine without a preregistered, public, clinical trial?

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by 1ark » Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 3:10 AM UTC

infradig wrote: post #81

joeman1000 wrote: post #73

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We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.

That was 2021, nowadays no one here gives a crap whether you're vaxed or boosted or even wearing a mask or not.

Immigration does, unfortunately.