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#101

Post by f6v »

mrtksn wrote: post #38
f6v wrote: post #37

And with all that genocide talk, Turkey is a NATO member and was(technically is?) an EU candidate. Moreover, rumors are, Finland and Sweden will submit to Turkish demands regarding Kurds. Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently. Maybe it really doesn’t bother western liberal democracies whether genocide happened. And it’s only used as a tool.

> Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994. I say liberated because that land was and is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. Also, Azerbaijan suffered atrocities conducted by the Armenians, for example the Khojaly massacre[0]. Yes T…

> That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994.

What I’ve been hearing from my well-educated colleagues from February was “No matter the reason, I’m against war, war is always bad, mmmkay?” But they turned a blind eye when it came to Artsakh.

Anyway, no matter the reason, people were dying where they haven’t been for a long time(at least not in high numbers). Would you say national pride justifies the means?

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#102

Post by f6v »

mrtksn wrote: post #43
zniturah wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened in 2020 is that Turkey and Azerbaijan with the direct political support from Israel and UK attacked a small Armenian population on a disputed land, whereas the rest of the world was just silently watching because most of the western politicians were simply bribed by Azerbaijanis government. There are numerous fact about the story, just google it.

Strong words about bribed western politicians, considering that the land was owned by Azerbaijan up until Armenia occupied those lands in 1990s. Yes, the lands were disputed and the dispute was resolved by Azerbaijan winning the lands back after 16 years of occupation.

What gets me is that people always talk about the land and not people who live there. As if they don’t matter at all.

Do you need that piece of land that bad so that Armenians living there have to abandon their homes?

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#103

Post by f6v »

yywwbbn wrote: post #74
mrtksn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia says the same thing for Ukraine and other parts of the Europe. Let's agree to disagree on this one.

This is an nonsensical comparison. As absurd as Putins claim is historically it has more ground to stand on , at least historically both Russia and Ukraine are (kind of) successors to the original Rus state centered around Kiev. Whereas Azerbaijan’s claim is basically based on the fact that they invaded the region and murdered or drove off the Armenians living there. Obviously what happened hundreds of years ago shou…

So Crimea had every right to declare independence from Ukraine?

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#105

Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

m00dy wrote: post #100
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #99

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So we are in agreement that "Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. were brutally supressed and massacred many times". Correct?

Not really. Under normal conditions, they were living in the empire peacefully as they were able to preserve their culture/language/identity.

And then they were brutally massacred, correct?

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#106

Post by m00dy »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #105
m00dy wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Under normal conditions, they were living in the empire peacefully as they were able to preserve their culture/language/identity.

And then they were brutally massacred, correct?

Your statement is as true as Ottomans were brutally massacred.

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#108

Post by m00dy »

m00dy wrote: post #106
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then they were brutally massacred, correct?

Your statement is as true as Ottomans were brutally massacred.

>>So it is true?

Asking the same thing again and again doesn't help here. Unfortunately binary statements would not be sufficient to cover all parameters in this context. I hope this helps.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

m00dy wrote: post #108
m00dy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your statement is as true as Ottomans were brutally massacred.

>>So it is true? Asking the same thing again and again doesn't help here. Unfortunately binary statements would not be sufficient to cover all parameters in this context. I hope this helps.

I don't understand what is the problem with "binary statements". Either Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians, etc, were brutally massacred by the Ottomans, or they were not. It shouldn't be that hard to say either "yes" or "no".

If there are other issues to discuss, these can be addressed separately. But a simple true/false judgement should be very, very easy to decide given the wealth of historical information available.

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