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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#101

Post by xisukar » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

>If it's my app, I'll use my logo.

You might own the app's code but if the user paid for the app, they're entitled to not wanting their screen to become some billboard to The Current Thing™. Buy a few billboards and airtime if you feel you should shove your political beliefs and opinions down everyone's throat. With this behavior, you're the representation of everything wrong with corporate political activism and the tech industry at large: You're the app's developer, and for some reason you think you know more than the user.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#102

Post by throwntoday » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #69

Ajedi32 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's my app Not picking on you specifically, because this attitude is extremely common among software developers these days, but I think this mentality of treating software running on users' machines as "yours" rather than "theirs" is at the core of a lot of problems with the modern software industry. Software should serve the interests of its users, not its developers. The advent of ubiquitous internet connecti…

> Software should serve the interests of its users, not its developers. It is my belief the software is serving the betterment of society if it offends the people who don't approve my activism ;-) More important than serving the individual users is serving society as a whole.

Yes virtue signalling serves society by identifying attention seekers.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#103

Post by xisukar » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:12 PM UTC

Banana699 wrote: post #82

rbanffy wrote: post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

Good. I love it when true believers show their true colors. When your fashionable beliefs fall out of fashion, it will be your problem soon enough. Just don't cry about oppression then.

>When your fashionable beliefs fall out of fashion, it will be your problem soon enough. Just don't cry about oppression then.

The righteousness of these individuals make them blind to the fact the pendulum swings back and forth.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#104

Post by AlphaWeaver » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

Something I don't see mentioned in this thread- on Android you can load custom icon packs. I standardize my icons (a solid color, outlined, version of the app logo) across all my apps, so I don't experience it when developers change their app icons.

Using a free(er) platform like Android (compared to iOS) affords me this opportunity for customization.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#105

Post by xisukar » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #91

daenz wrote: post #28

I have been part of a dance/art community in a past life. There's a prevailing belief that "the personal is political"[0], which basically manifests as all things (art/products/etc) being unambiguously imbued with your politics, because politics doesn't end at the public sphere. This idea became mainstream at some point, and the result is that we must now signal what team we're on in everything we create. Abstaining…

Politicizing the person is something that happens to some people against their will. For example people don’t choose to be gay, it just happens like being tall or having blue eyes. But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. Totally still fine to talk about tall people, though. This is why “Pride Month” is a big deal but tall people month is not. Gay people didn’t choose t…

>But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school.

If only you weren't misrepresenting the Parental Rights in Education bill[1] you'd have a point. There's no reason why a teacher needs to discuss sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. with kindergartens, be that heterosexual or homosexual. That's a private matter that has no place in a classroom, less so in primary grade levels.

[1]: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1834

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#106

Post by xisukar » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:26 PM UTC

mrcartmeneses wrote: post #32

SllX wrote: post #5

An app that did this wouldn’t stick around for very long on my phone either, but which apps are actually doing this?

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#107

Post by zthrowaway » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:34 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #65

yessirwhatever wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the activism angle exactly for? Do you think people on the fence about some issue will be swayed one way or the other?

As someone said much better than I ever could, I don't want to impose my values upon others, but I want to show others who have the same values I do they are not alone.

What this really is, is showing political compliance. Just like what Italians had to do in the late 30s to prevent their businesses from being destroyed.

How would you feel if most apps all over the App Store for one whole month used right wing political symbology to signal their compliance? I’m sure you’d get pretty angry about it. Try to put yourself in other’s shoes, and stop participating in this low-effort fascism.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#108

Post by Jcowell » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:34 PM UTC

xisukar wrote: post #103

Banana699 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good. I love it when true believers show their true colors. When your fashionable beliefs fall out of fashion, it will be your problem soon enough. Just don't cry about oppression then.

>When your fashionable beliefs fall out of fashion, it will be your problem soon enough. Just don't cry about oppression then. The righteousness of these individuals make them blind to the fact the pendulum swings back and forth.

I mean let’s be clear here, we are taking about a symbol that’s for the backing of the rights of a group of people. There would be large problems for society as a whole if the pendulum swings the other way.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#109

Post by Conclusionist » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC

barrysteve wrote: post #98

aaomidi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately don’t care what the Christian preechers are complaining about. They’re not the group I’m optimizing for, and their population is dropping YoY. If the existence of a group of people is triggering them that much, then they can go disconnect and live in isolation or something. No one here is, for example, calling out marriot for shoving bibles and Book of Mormon into my face. Christianity is constantly sh…

This is the naive blindness. There is acres of christian art and media that simply doesn't register for the populace. People scroll by Jude Law as the Young Pope on Netflix and ignore the methodist Christian substructure of star wars. People can be told via memes that ObiWan is like space jesus and it's like water off a duck's back. Christianity doesn't oppress people, they can't even identify it, when it is infront…

1. You’re claiming Christianity is so normalized people don’t notice it. That’s exactly the point with pride.

2. Am I reading this right? You think LGBT people and pride is oppressing people more than Christianity?

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#110

Post by Jcowell » Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

xisukar wrote: post #105

snowwrestler wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politicizing the person is something that happens to some people against their will. For example people don’t choose to be gay, it just happens like being tall or having blue eyes. But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. Totally still fine to talk about tall people, though. This is why “Pride Month” is a big deal but tall people month is not. Gay people didn’t choose t…

>But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. If only you weren't misrepresenting the Parental Rights in Education bill[1] you'd have a point. There's no reason why a teacher needs to discuss sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. with kindergartens, be that heterosexual or homosexual. That's a private matter that has no place in a classroom, less so in primary grad…

> That's a private matter that has no place in a classroom

While I agree that kindergartners may be too young to receive sexual education, I disagree that sex, sexual orientation , gender identities have no a place in the classroom. At least starting in Middle School it’s important to educate children on the realities of the world they are going to see that will include all of these things. I can at least point to Health and History as two subjects that these topics will be relevant in.