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Re: OP-1 field

#101

Post by hypertele-Xii »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #91
bravura wrote: post #35

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it. But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one. Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

>> the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Apart from... * Laptop with your favourite DAW * iPad with GarageBand or Android Tablet with Caustic * I would put Novation Circuit in similar category though depends on your definition of whole song * Synthstorm Deluge * Digitakt Elektron? * Some of the Roland grooveboxes and systems * Some of the Akai APC/MPC…

* Korg Electribe

Re: OP-1 field

#102

Post by hypertele-Xii »

sneak wrote: post #76
stephc_int13 wrote: post #33

The problem with TE is that they are building top quality toys, not tools. Maybe those toys can be used as tools in some niche context, but as a non-musician I wouldn't know. I'd love to see them selling a more general purpose pocket computer, with the same high quality design and even the hefty price tag. A pocket computer made for hackers (the tinkering kind)

It's called the Playdate. https://play.date/dev/

General purpose pocket computer, he said.

Re: OP-1 field

#103

Post by i_am_proteus »

bravura wrote: post #35

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it. But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one. Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

>Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

Pencil and staff paper.

My email address is in my profile if you would genuinely like to send me your money.

Re: OP-1 field

#104

Post by [deleted] »

capableweb wrote: post #26
motogpjimbo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In hardware terms, it's the same price as a Yamaha Montage. The OP-1 isn't good value for money no matter how you look at it.

Sorry, didn't want to give the impression that the OP-1 (original or this one) is good money spent, because that I don't think. The price of this (+ the rest of their products) are wildly over-priced. I was more talking about the whole software VS hardware side of things. If I had $2000 to throw around, I'd buy a Syntakt + Digitone/Digitakt instead and get a setup that could do whatever I want + more.

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Re: OP-1 field

#105

Post by wyre »

agloeregrets wrote: post #78
monatron wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember buying the first OP-1 when it came out for something around $700 and even then thought "wow, this is a stretch". Since then they _raised_ the price of the original north of $1k. Don't get me wrong, TE makes incredible stuff and the OP-1 is no exception, but the price point just doesn't make sense unless you have serious money to burn. I had the same reaction to you after seeing the price for the mk2. At le…

> but the price point just doesn't make sense unless you have serious money to burn. Meanwhile, the OP-1 was used on like 40% of all modern pop music production process. I think the market is massively successful artists and they know they will pay.

Absolutely not. Ableton Live is used much more and I would be suprised if their market share was 40%.

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#106

Post by crispyambulance »

iamricks wrote: post #98
planb wrote: post #83

I have absolutely no use for the products made by teenage engineering, as I don't have a clue about audio production. But scolling thought their store, I still want to own these beatiful devices.

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Great design and designers exist everywhere. There's nothing extrinsic to the companies in the US, Europe or Asia that makes any of them better at design. It's all about the internals of the companies themselves.

I would say, however, that Teenage Engineering is "small" enough to take the kinds of risks that bigger companies just aren't able to do (even with much more money). Here's a fast company article (https://www.fastcompany.com/3016739/more-than-an-office-teen...) from 2015. They claim wide variety of backgrounds and keep their facilities modest. At the time they released the first incarnation of the OP-1, they had 30 employees.

Contrast that with KORG, who a few years ago created a "lab" in Berlin staffed with superstars with intention of creating ground-breaking music tech (https://youtu.be/Y0NY6iUqbEM). They clearly poured A LOT of money into that venture. Similar kind of hipster vibe, but what became of it? I don't know but it seems like Teenage Engineering is doing just fine.

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#107

Post by KingOfCoders »

$2000 - Teenage engineering worked hard to become an identy product and now can charge for it. If you sell identity, no price is too high. Do I want one? Yes. Do I buy one? No the identity tax is too high for me.

(though I like my Teenage Engineering PO-20, but a Novation Circuit works for my dabbling with sequencing).

Re: OP-1 field

#108

Post by invalidusernam3 »

iamricks wrote: post #98
planb wrote: post #83

I have absolutely no use for the products made by teenage engineering, as I don't have a clue about audio production. But scolling thought their store, I still want to own these beatiful devices.

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What about Apple? I think most Apple products are incredibly beautiful

Re: OP-1 field

#109

Post by capableweb »

blub wrote: post #80
capableweb wrote: post #43

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> Why has no one else figured that out? It is literally not the only piece of music gear you can bring on a airplane and write a whole song... Just a recent example, the Syntakt is very capable for writing full songs. So is other gear in the Elektron lineup, namely Digitakt. Otherwise you also have (cheaper) gear like the Novation Circuit Tracks that can also do the same. I mean, a cursory search for "portable groove…

The Syntakt is not battery powered. I guess one could buy a beefy battery pack and adapter cable, but… what’s the point? The Tracks is nice, but the synth engines are not fully accessible in the hw interface. At least the params are labeled now, trying to change sounds on my original was quite frustrating.

True that the Syntakt is not battery powered, when needed I run it on a battery bank (allowed to bring on the airplane) + PD cable. The point is being able to use the same gear I use in the studio but for jams where electricity available is not great, or being able to bring it wherever I go, as I consider the device itself portable, especially considering its larger cousins (like the A4, AR or even Octatrack).

Yeah, not being able to 100% customize the synths on the Tracks is bothering me as well. Luckily, my workflow is usually two parts that I do separate. One for sound design (with the Tracks hooked up to the computer) and one for everything else. For that, it does just fine, although the UX could be better for editing the synths.

Re: OP-1 field

#110

Post by aa-jv »

JoeyJoJoJr wrote: post #88
aa-jv wrote: post #52

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I guess you're not yet familiar with the Synthstrom Deluge: https://synthstrom.com Far better than the OP-1, by miles .. See also the 1010music BlackBox: https://1010music.com/product/blackbox Easily set up on an airplane seat-table for production.

Yep, Deluge is the one and only desert island groovebox IMO.

The latest OS update added a new synthesis method (wavetable) too, which is really fun and exciting for those of us with a huge wavetable archive to harvest.

Definitely a killer workstation.

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