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4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by gnu6 »

burgerbrain wrote: post #98
gnu6 wrote: post #29

Chris Poole operates the world's most popular child pornography web site. Let's all listen to what he has to say.

That's like saying Comcast is the largest child pornography delivery service in the US.

No, it's not, because Comcast and other ISPs are what's called common carriers in the United States. This means that they are not liable for the content of their customers, such as 4chan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier#Telecommunicati...

If you think this is just a legal distinction and not a moral one, consider the company that rents a van to a person who later turns out to be a bank robber. They aren't liable for helping the bank robber get away, because they rent vans to anyone who comes along.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by traveldotto1 »

Google captures your intent, Facebook captures your social graph. It's not Google and Facebook does it wrong, they just represent part of us. A service that tries to generalize the whole embodiment of human interaction where they only capture a piece of what we do is not going to work. I think it's human tendency to have multiple identities on the web based on context.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by twakefield »

Seems that email is the unifying online id and emphasizes the importance having an email address at a domain that you own and control so that you don't lose it when these social networks disappear or violate your privacy to the point that you need to walk away.

Would it be worthwhile to have a service that managed all of your online identities? You could register multiple avatars/aliases and the service would create email addresses for each of them that could be used to sign up for different networks. Then all of those email notifications, etc. could be forwarded to one confidential email address at a domain that the user owns and registers with the service.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by redwood »

jeffool wrote: post #2

We present ourselves differently in different contexts, and that's key to our creativity and self-expression. "It's not 'who you share with,' it's 'who you share as,'" Poole told us. "Identity is prismatic." moot just kinda blew my mind. And it makes total sense. I'd go so far as to say it's almost painfully obvious once it's pointed out to you. I hope someone's got it on video and posts it somewhere.

Spot on, can't remember who summed it up slightly differently, but it was like this: in the non-internet world you can only share as yourself... BUT in the non-internet world what you share isn't permanently logged, so when you share something with close friends or even anonymous folks at a bar, you're always expressing ideas that will not be tagged permanently t your name. Once in the internet space this changes, and if you can only post under your name, you will self-censor anything controversial since you'll never be able to shake the associated with it otherwise.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by slowpoke »

yuhong wrote: post #90
FlemishBeeCycle wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As individuals, we don't act the same way around our peers, our friends or our family. While we certainly present ourselves differently in different contexts, I wouldn't call these different "identities", rather the same identity applying the rules of the given context to their behavior. Where it becomes tricky is when one is strips away the context isolation. For example, at your friend's bachelor party, some behavi…

>The solution here is to create context isolation - which is very easy to do with anonymity. Not the best solution. I in fact has been saying the illusion that people are perfect is fundamentally flawed for a while now.

You're completely missing the point. Nobody is saying or implying that people are perfect. Rather, it's the opposite - we acknowledge that people are imperfect - and that's exactly why we need anonymity and different identities.

moot also made another very good point about total anonymity once before: the reason 4chan (and by extension, other image boards) became such a success is because there is no personal cost of failure, which allowed almost boundless creativity - which is why most of the internet knows 4chan mainly as a meme-generator.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by walropodes »

bmelton wrote: post #72
dhugiaskmak wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unless I want what I do to be associated with my real name, I just probably shouldn't do it This sounds an awful lot like "if you aren't doing anything wrong then you don't have anything to hide" to me.

I interpret it more like "If you wouldn't want your mother to see you do it, then you probably shouldn't." For what it's worth, while I absolutely love my civil liberties and freedoms, I do believe in accountability for one's actions. If I say something indefensible against a minority group, I believe that I should be ready to bear the consequences of my racism. I can either defend my actions with an intelligent argu…

> I interpret it more like "If you wouldn't want your mother to see you do it, then you probably shouldn't."

That pretty much means the same thing

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by slowpoke »

endtime wrote: post #81
jeffool wrote: post #2

We present ourselves differently in different contexts, and that's key to our creativity and self-expression. "It's not 'who you share with,' it's 'who you share as,'" Poole told us. "Identity is prismatic." moot just kinda blew my mind. And it makes total sense. I'd go so far as to say it's almost painfully obvious once it's pointed out to you. I hope someone's got it on video and posts it somewhere.

How is that not isomorphic to Circles?

It's not. You seem to have misread the article. moot's saying that it's important "who you share as" not "who you share with". G+ doesn't allow you to have multiple identities, it allows you to share in different contexts with the same identity - which is fundamentally different.

Besides, it's a very bad idea to leave identity management in the hands of a third party anyways, and the last third party I'd trust with my identities are Google and Facebook. Call me paranoid all you want, but identities are something you manage yourself - nobody should be trusted doing it for you.

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by GrahamL »

william42 wrote: post #85
toyg wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's worth a few billions to Facebook, it's worth a few billions to Google.

That's not true; the law of diminishing returns applies.

How? Advertisers are always looking to show targeted ads

Re: 4chan's Chris Poole: Facebook & Google Are Doing It Wrong

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Post by suivix »

gnu6 wrote: post #97
molesy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking "successful due to its remarkably high level of cooperation with", rather than "wholly operated by." Insert Twitter, Google responses below.

It's baffling that I'm being downvoted so much. Apparently most hackernews users are devoted fans of 4chan who use that site to get their child pornography fix.

It's baffling that you're getting downvoted for accusing a site of being government-operated with 0 evidence, and then you put down HN users? Really?
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