Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt • Hacker News Board

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by bjarneh » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 8:33 AM UTC

robertlagrant wrote: post #85

bjarneh wrote: post #67

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> Big difference between board members and stockholders. Completely agree, but in small/medium size companies (no public stock etc), these are often the same people. In many cases it's completely obvious who (which humans) that have done something wrong, but since we still accept that the legal entity under which they operated no longer exists; you're stuck. A problem where I live (Norway) has been that people regist…

> The people who buy those flats better pray that there is nothing wrong with them, as there is basically nowhere to turn if there is This is also the case if you buy from a human.

> This is also the case if you buy from a human.

This used to be the case here in Norway until 2021 as well, but now it's illegal to slap the old "sold-as-it-is" clause at the end of the contract.

You can still sell horrible stuff of course, but you have to say that it's horrible, in the listing :-)

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by bjarneh » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #84

bjarneh wrote: post #80

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> acted in bad faith I'm all for going after them in person I agree, but this should be standard procedure. Hiding behind these peculiar "legal entities" that cannot possibly be held accountable anyway, makes no sense. > This is one of the reasons I've never bought a new house Same here, although the house I did buy was 160 years old; which also comes with its own set of problems :-)

> although the house I did buy was 160 years old; which also comes with its own set of problems Hehe, been there done that. In fact, doing that, right now I'm fixing a window frame that had 'a small spot of rot', by the time it was done half the frame had been removed, incredible how bad wood can be under nicely looking paint. Insect paradise underneath there.

> 'a small spot of rot'

is similar to "a small spot of rust" I guess, there is no such thing :-)

Fascinating to see how these old tree constructions are made. I still find it hard to comprehend that a few bricks and some timber logs are all that separates me from living directly on the dirt like a cave man..

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 8:53 AM UTC

bjarneh wrote: post #102

jacquesm wrote: post #84

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> although the house I did buy was 160 years old; which also comes with its own set of problems Hehe, been there done that. In fact, doing that, right now I'm fixing a window frame that had 'a small spot of rot', by the time it was done half the frame had been removed, incredible how bad wood can be under nicely looking paint. Insect paradise underneath there.

> 'a small spot of rot' is similar to "a small spot of rust" I guess, there is no such thing :-) Fascinating to see how these old tree constructions are made. I still find it hard to comprehend that a few bricks and some timber logs are all that separates me from living directly on the dirt like a cave man..

That's one of my dreams still, to build a post-and-beam house from scratch. But I'm getting older and it may well be that such ambitious projects are now out of reach for me.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by bjarneh » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 10:46 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #103

bjarneh wrote: post #102

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> 'a small spot of rot' is similar to "a small spot of rust" I guess, there is no such thing :-) Fascinating to see how these old tree constructions are made. I still find it hard to comprehend that a few bricks and some timber logs are all that separates me from living directly on the dirt like a cave man..

That's one of my dreams still, to build a post-and-beam house from scratch. But I'm getting older and it may well be that such ambitious projects are now out of reach for me.

> to build a post-and-beam house from scratch

Sound like fun, and you shouldn't let age stop you from doing that. Instead you should adjust your dream to building a smaller post-and-beam house. It's not back breaking work if it's a small house; our inner cave men wants to work with timber for some reason.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by freeflight » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 11:50 PM UTC

zeepzeep wrote: post #92

freeflight wrote: post #45

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So we need good governments, with their own malware, to fight the bad ones? Is that where this logic is going?

Nope? If the reason stated is terror, that seems like a legit reason to me. Look I see that there is more evil than good done with this stuff, but it's not the stuffs fault.

The thing is that "terror" is an extremely vaguely defined concept, in the US there are at least 8 different, and recognized, definitions for it [0]

Nor are there usually any efficient checks&balances in place to make sure these tools are actually only used for their originally declared purpose.

That's why the mass-surveillance creep, since the Patriot Act, has been very real and for the most part completely unchecked, FISA court just rubber-stamping anything that comes their way.

In that context I'd rather see resources put towards fixing vulnerabilities, instead of leaving them open so they can be exploited by intelligence and police agencies. This approach would also prevent much more "evil" than hoping how the "good Big Brother" will not abuse his power and instead solely use the same vulnerabilities to stop the "evil" guys.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism#United...

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by rad_gruchalski » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 12:04 AM UTC

sva_ wrote: post #70

cpach wrote: post #54

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What did von der Leyen do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#%22Consul... Just the tip of the iceberg And what made her unpopular initially: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Blocking_... > [...] creating the necessary infrastructure for extensive censorship of websites deemed illegal by the BKA.

> … advocated the initiation of a mandatory blockage of child pornography on the Internet through service providers via a block list maintained by the Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany (BKA), thus creating the necessary infrastructure for extensive censorship of websites deemed illegal by the BKA.

For full context.