Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt • Hacker News Board

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by OtomotO » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:45 AM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #42

bjarneh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> companies escaped seizure through insolvency This is a strange arrangement that I guess most countries follow. Companies are legal entities, that can be sued and so on. But a company cannot go to jail (board members or stock owners don't typically go to jail either). These legal entities can also seize to exist (like in this example), and then there is nobody left to be held accountable... It seems like most countr…

Most countries also stop criminal & civil proceedings if the human in question ceases to exist

But ceasing to exist and dying are similar yet also different concepts.

A company can cease to exist on a whim, yet be reborn the next minute under a different name, with the same "genes", the same "information", because the actual living, breathing people behind it, just move on.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by OtomotO » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:46 AM UTC

actionfromafar wrote: post #29

hacka22 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://netzpolitik.org/2022/nach-pfaendung-staatstrojaner-h... (German) reads like it is more than a rebranding. But there are certainly new entrepreneurs who will fill the gap

Meet your new entrepreneurs . Same as your old entrepreneurs .

Same shit, new package

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:46 AM UTC

tom899 wrote: post #37

They will continue under a new name and description. The success to this day is not remarkable. That software has not stopped criminals like Olaf Scholz and his buddies, nor has it protect a mayor of a city that was killed in his own house. So, its useless and unethical to think to automate prosecution. Too many false-positives and a bad success rate is not and can not be the goal to break basic rights. The real crim…

> That software has not stopped criminals like...

Oh look, $method didn't stop $crimes where it is not relevant. Not surprising.

> The real criminals are not the weed dealers next door and not the dumb neo-fascists, they gather everyday in the parlaments with their shady double income, their wrongdoings and promises broken every day.

Weed dealers given the current legislation are commiting a crime. One of the biggest gifts to the lack of prosecution of higher politicians are the infighting between smaller "liberal" parties. And their general naivity

Are the people that are opposed to this happy when adversaries have hacked Germany?

You're free to protest at the nearest Extinction Even protest and pretend the "green's" anti-nuclear push has nothing to do with the latest events

btw "criminals like him (O.S.)"? sounds like either an AfD apologist or Linke supporter.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by cpach » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:51 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #41

tom899 wrote: post #37

They will continue under a new name and description. The success to this day is not remarkable. That software has not stopped criminals like Olaf Scholz and his buddies, nor has it protect a mayor of a city that was killed in his own house. So, its useless and unethical to think to automate prosecution. Too many false-positives and a bad success rate is not and can not be the goal to break basic rights. The real crim…

>they gather everyday in the parlaments with their shady double income, their wrongdoings and promises broken every day You can add Ursula v.d.L. to that list. I lost faith in all EU governments to do anything for the people.

What did von der Leyen do?

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by insta_anon » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:56 AM UTC

cpach wrote: post #54

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they gather everyday in the parlaments with their shady double income, their wrongdoings and promises broken every day You can add Ursula v.d.L. to that list. I lost faith in all EU governments to do anything for the people.

What did von der Leyen do?

Just google "von der Leyen McKinsey"

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by spupe » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 9:58 AM UTC

I didn't know about this company before, but a cursory search suggests they were only based in Germany, not used by the German government. Title is misleading, especially as it is not the original title of the article, and Germany has in fact prosecuted them.

That said, good riddance. We desperately need accountability for malware coming from state actors.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by saagarjha » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 10:14 AM UTC

spacemanmatt wrote: post #8

hnbad wrote: post #6

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Because this company was the developer of the "Staatstrojaner" malware government agencies used to hack into computer systems to investigate crimes. I think the original use case was just terrorism but I'm pretty sure it's been used against other crimes as well. As to why the German public tolerate it: because there wasn't sufficient pushback and the government doesn't care about a few protests as most people will ev…

Seems to me like the government should internally own their malware rather than tolerate a company that presumably sells to other governments or private entities. Mine was a rhetorical question of course.

At least in the US, there are caps on how much you can pay an internal employee that generally do not pay for a top-tier researcher who’d develop malware like this. Instead you would pay some contractor a much higher rate that they could pass some portion of to their own researchers.

Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by sdoering » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 10:15 AM UTC

tom899 wrote: post #37

They will continue under a new name and description. The success to this day is not remarkable. That software has not stopped criminals like Olaf Scholz and his buddies, nor has it protect a mayor of a city that was killed in his own house. So, its useless and unethical to think to automate prosecution. Too many false-positives and a bad success rate is not and can not be the goal to break basic rights. The real crim…

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Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by blumomo » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 10:23 AM UTC

sdoering wrote: post #58

tom899 wrote: post #37

They will continue under a new name and description. The success to this day is not remarkable. That software has not stopped criminals like Olaf Scholz and his buddies, nor has it protect a mayor of a city that was killed in his own house. So, its useless and unethical to think to automate prosecution. Too many false-positives and a bad success rate is not and can not be the goal to break basic rights. The real crim…

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Re: Stage win: FinFisher is bankrupt

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Post by y4mi » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 10:24 AM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #42

bjarneh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> companies escaped seizure through insolvency This is a strange arrangement that I guess most countries follow. Companies are legal entities, that can be sued and so on. But a company cannot go to jail (board members or stock owners don't typically go to jail either). These legal entities can also seize to exist (like in this example), and then there is nobody left to be held accountable... It seems like most countr…

Most countries also stop criminal & civil proceedings if the human in question ceases to exist

They don't though? They'd follow through if person a profited from fraud,then died and inherited that money to a third person.

With companies it just ends there and then