If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine • Hacker News Board

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by malka » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

lofatdairy wrote: post #96

malka wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are at war. > You are no better than the FSB itself then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be honest I find the notion of "We" here to be rather dubious. Russia and Ukraine are at war, and while us private citizens of the broader English-speaking world can condemn one side, and support the other, pushing others towards the belief that this is somehow a total war and that every action is justifiable seems patently false.

Russia has been pushing far right, and attempt to disrupt politics in my country for years.

They have gotten Schroder on their payroll so he would sabotage german and Europe energy.

Now, they have been threatening western Europe with nukes.

Yes, we are clearly at war with Russia.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by avgDev » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

decremental wrote: post #35

No one thought about or cared about Ukraine a month ago. Now it's everyone's greatest cause of their lives. Meanwhile, I'm certain there are many atrocities the ruling class isn't forcing your focus on that you don't care about at all. All of this feigned outrage is so fake.

It isn't fake. US and other western nations are extremely close Ukrainians, and Ukrainians are very close to other European nations like Poland. Since, many Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, Czech, Lithuanians, Slovakians live in the US. They protest and spread the word. Plus, there are protests in individual countries.

There always will be some issues in the society, but what is happening in Ukraine is giving people WW2 vibes and Poles can relate.

It is a matter of time until Russia will crumble though.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by junon » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

nirui wrote: post #74

Phone call is sort term, high effort, and maybe even annoying to those pro-Russians. Just a thought: I been viewing the evidences of Russian war crimes (photograph, video) that people posted on Twitter since the very beginning of the invasion. A lot's of them are real and fact-checked. Maybe it could be a good idea to setup some sort of online and physical memorial to show the timelines of how each single innocent pe…

Russia has completely blocked the outside world. So no, that wouldn't work.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by KennyBlanken » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

auslegung wrote: post #68

tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

You’re probably right, but it’s possible that the environment is such in Russia right now that this could be impactful. From what I’ve been reading and seeing, the Russian people are more willing now than ever to protest and question their government. Those who are on the fence may actually be swayed by a random call like this, but only if they are already suspicious of the information the Russian government is showi…

Is this a joke? Putin is wildly popular because he 'stands up to the west' and had presided over economic prosperity.

He got away with blowing up four apartment buildings, with plain-as-day evidence showing the bombings were conducted by the FSB. The population didn't care. They didn't care when he went around assassinating people outside the country. Didn't care when he invaded Crimea. Chicken in the pot, car in the driveway.

There wasn't any "anti-war" sentiment until the sanctions started kicking in.

Now that the ruble is worth less than toilet paper and they can't watch Netflix, they're willing to stand up to him?

Welcome to the cost of your country shitting all over the rest of the world for two decades. Hope y'all enjoy being sanctioned into the stone ages.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by asats » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

onemoresoop wrote: post #95

asats wrote: post #44

If you want to help the protest movements in Russia, support the russian opposition, NGO's that provide help to people arrested during demonstrations (13750 as of today) https://ovdinfo.org/ , and independent journalists who are currently escaping the country to continue their work abroad in relative safety. Calling random people, messing with the russian internet, targeting the russian opposition/journalists escapin…

While I agree that helping the opposition is be the best move think of the rhetoric Kremlin would spin up: they'd claim the west is interfering with their internal affairs and should the opposition ever win any elections they'd quickly arrest them for plotting a coup.

They already claim that ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law ), the opposition is already not allowed to participate in the elections and obviously cannot win them when they are not even allowed to run and the main opposition leaders are already in prison (Navalny) or killed (Nemtsov).

Do you guys really have zero idea what country Russia is? Russians have been protesting since 2011 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_Russian_prot... ) and been methodically and systematically repressed for over a decade already.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by blensor » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

malka wrote: post #66

tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

I get the general sentiment but wouldn't it make more sense to send letters to random people? Maybe even disguise it as a travel ad where the images of iconic places are replaced with their current state.

I think it's important to get past the initial barrier against believing what is happening and you can only do that by being sneaky.

Once you realize that someone is trying to convince you of something that goes against your core belief it's very likely you shut that information down but anything that got already past that barrier will slowly take root and grow.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by syngrog66 » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

WinterMount223 wrote: post #70

malka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Their country is killing thousands of innocent men, women, children, grandparents, babies etc. The West needs to prioritize on worrying about whats best for Ukraine, and saving their lives. Have more sympathy for them. Once Russia lays down arms and skidaddles back across their border perhaps we start feeling sympathy for the invaders then.

What Russians need to do now is pick sides. Take a stand against Putin, or, leave Russia. Stay home & keep quiet? They Own him. His deeds. His mass murders.

Zero sympathy for evil.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by KennyBlanken » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #80

zelon88 wrote: post #57

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Well then maybe his friends and family left behind will find the motivation to take action against their shadowy oppressors.

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Like the country that has been waging an online psy-ops on us for the last decade and a half and literally bribing our elected officials?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by wbsss4412 » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #94

wbsss4412 wrote: post #38

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Because unsolicited phone calls from people in the west is all that’s needed to stop the war.

What are you doing better?

It’s ok to be upset about what’s happening. That doesn’t mean one should be deluded into thinking they have a direct personal impact on the outcome of events.

Parent commenter pointed out that making a bunch of unsolicited calls to Russians is counter productive. Proclaiming “something must be done!!” Might make you personally feel better, but that’s not a good thing if it only comes at a detriment to others.

Seriously, how do you respond to unsolicited phone calls? This plan is half baked and will only harden the resolve of people who don’t already agree with the western point of view, and get people who do agree arrested.

I take umbrage at the notion I can’t critique a bad idea unless I’m some sort of saint.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by dangerface » Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

Yea I only believe propaganda on facebook, who even uses phones anymore anyway? Clearly this is a CIA op