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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

shabier wrote: post #93

keymone wrote: post #67

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RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think?

You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response and getting separatists to start fighting?

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by simion314 » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:36 PM UTC

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #86

simion314 wrote: post #65

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I am from Romania, our constitution is mostly based on France if I am not mistaken, maybe you can translate this https://www.lighthousecommunications.ro/blog/tot-ce-trebuie-... there is the obligation that if you presented false acuzations(not opinions) about someone you are forced to give this person the right to present his defense, also the editors of the news are responsible for the things they published. So you…

At least going by the Google translation of the article you cited, I doubt that any of these broadcasters would be required to carry RT under this law. This is more about slander and libel, not about giving every political viewpoint equal airtime. So I guess the answer to your original question is, "no, we did not allow new media to ignore our laws." Because there are no laws enforcing the mechanisms you contemplated…

Sorry for confusion, there is no law to give all possible political ideas equal air time.

Is about preventing fake facts being presented , you will pay if you do that and you are forced to admit it like a TV channel will have to present "Our channel was fined with XYZ for the content we published at date because we did ABC"

Since bad behavior costs you money and you have to publicly admit when you were wrong and you have to also show affected parties response you will think a few times before you present something, maybe if you are not sure you label it "we cannon confirm X" .

But the issue with this constitution rules is that are old and do not specify the internet, IMO is a good idea to have media follow an good code of conduct and punish them when they repeatedly fail to do so, they are professionals not teens on reddit

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:36 PM UTC

shabier wrote: post #95

keymone wrote: post #73

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Since when blocking enemy's propaganda considered "bad"?

So North Korea is doing good then

sure, from their perspective they are. but they are a tyrannical dictatorship - we know that. don't we? do you? just checking, because, you know...

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by cabirum » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

jonathanstrange wrote: post #72

cabirum wrote: post #52

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Another source worth mentioning is waronfakes.com which counters ukrainian propaganda echoed by western msm.

A page that doesn't even reveal openly who runs it (real names, affiliations, background) is completely worthless crap. If you judge alleged "news" uncritically like that, just by consuming it, you're part of the problem.

They don't have to reveal their identities in order for their statements/arguments to be valid. It also eliminates authority bias.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by IE6 » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

mopsi wrote: post #64

iso1210 wrote: post #23

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HN has some of the most pro-putin comments I see anywhere. These are established accounts with years of history talking about tech, so not Russian bots or whatever.

Not everyone is a paid shill. Lots of tech people are Russians and/or from Russia and support the war in Ukraine. Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

Anecdotally, even if you say something like "I think sanctions will just hurt every day people who are just like me and you and probably just want to live a happy life without wars and not the people making the decisions to start war" people get incensed and call you a shill / bot / etc. It's a strange time.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by Steltek » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #27

yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

It's literally censorship. It doesn't stop being censorship just because you want it censored. Trying to redefine words like that insults your readers. People might consider your position a bit more if it's not obscured by your ego.

No, it's literally moderation. Platforms can promote or demote content as they see fit to better appeal to the market. Newspapers are not obligated to print every letter to the editor. Youtube is not legally bound to air any random video that was uploaded.

Censorship is when the government steps in to define allowable speech.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:39 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #94

keymone wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

Would you also apply this rule consistently with all of the Iraq war cheerleaders who also promoted fake news (like yellowcake)? Im reminded of Chomsky's quote here (it's surprising how often it is relevant): >Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re…

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

keymone wrote: post #101

shabier wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think? You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponisin…

> can't blame him for fog of war

That's exactly what you should, though. Especially if you're in his position, where the smallest wimp is taken as fact.

> And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community

What exactly would you think the "response" would be if the nuclear plant was actually bombed? You don't have to be a geopolitical expert to know it is violence.

> You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response

Have you been following the news? Western media is doing exactly that with recent events like the snake island "heroes"?

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

shabier wrote: post #100

keymone wrote: post #79

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It's censorship of enemy's propaganda vehicle. Since when is that considered "bad"?

Yeah, sure, let's completely depend on our own honest media rather than being able to cross-check it with opposing parties. It surely won't create an echo chamber wherein our own media could report whatever they want, it surely won't result in less objective reporting and more propaganda.

the issue now is not "how good of a reporting does this or that media produce?" the issue is "a literal fascist government is invading a sovereign country and their propaganda machine is in full throttle mode".

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by IE6 » Mon, Mar 07, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

paulvnickerson wrote: post #29

I'm glad to see the alternative tech companies (Rumble, Truth Social) that promote truly free spread and competition of ideas, and that they are surviving (RIP Parlor). If Facebook, Youtube, etc. insist on restricting thought and discussion on their platforms, it will be to their detriment.

Anecdotally, in my experience you are just as likely to be banned / shadowbanned on these kinds of "free speech" networks as well. The only thing that changes is who is pressing the keys and what message they want you to hear. I think referring to them as such is problematic.