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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by zobzu »

phillmv wrote: post #60
vtail wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very likely that the original promise ("upgrade to version 2.0 will be completely free") was a huge factor in 2.0 shipping delay: Allan would need to invest a lot of effort to ship the new version to get only marginal return, as TextMate penetration of the relevant market was already high at the time the promise was made. Charging for 2.0 would seem like a breach of contract for people who only bought TextMate 1…

I can't believe there are so many cheapskates in here. It's $60! WHO CARES! It's a tool you presumably use every single hour of your programming life . I refuse to accept that you feel personally violated over an idiot promise the author made six years ago. Are people really saying that if the dude came out and said, "Hey guys, it's done but… if I keep my original promise, I literally won't be able to afford the band…

it has nothing to do with the price. it could be $1. It's about keeping your word. It's about morality. Heck people can still donate, a lot more than that too.

And if keeping your word is going to kill, don't write stuff like "ohlala im so poor damn what im gonna do! damn if only people would agree to pay!" and hope that it works.

You man up and you apologize properly, saying it ain't going to be free and that wasn't planned, but it has to be.

Going through the foggy FUD before announcing that (if ever announced of course) would be pretty low on my scale.

Time to use your mod down points :-)

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by mcritz »

TextMate 2.0 will be free. Maybe TextMate 2.0.1 will cost $79. Maybe if enough people support TextMate 2.0 by paying for it, the rest of the freeloaders will get 2.0.1 for free, as well.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by droithomme »

Wanting to pay more is certainly a valid and generous thing to want to do.

However, it is a bit grating that Marco presumes to speak for all customers of this product by using the word "we". I don't presume to speak for Marco, he should speak for himself only.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by scott_s »

teaspoon wrote: post #90
scott_s wrote: post #85

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If someone already paid for TextMate, I think it's fair to assume that they own an Apple computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_caf%C3%A9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86 I'm not trying to be pedantic here. Both of the above are commonplace in China, for example.

And, really, how many of those people do you think paid for a copy of TextMate?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by irons »

derefr wrote: post #69
alttag wrote: post #16

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> I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. Like, say, tipping at a nice restaurant. You may not like the food, but it seems others did, and they want to demonstrate that to the chef.

Then here's an idea that may make everybody here happy: the price for the software new is $60. The price for the software with a code from the previous edition is what you want . You can put in $60, or $0, or $256. How 'bout that?

Marco's position, which I support, is a little like Warren Buffett pointing out that his taxes are too low, which I also support.

People who reply "Well if you think your taxes are so low, make a voluntary contribution" are probably-deliberately overlooking that the goal isn't for an individual to pay more, it's to provide meaningful support to the entity which needs the revenue, whether that's Allen Odgaard or the US government.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by xyzzyb »

EricBerglund wrote: post #46
xyzzyb wrote: post #3

I absolutely agree. TextMate is still my favorite editor. I switched to it from vim in 2007 and have occasionally looked back and around at other editors, but always return to TM. Everyone on my team also uses TextMate all day, every day. We'd be happy to pay for TextMate 2.

As someone who's actually making an analogous opposite switch (learning vim rather than using Sublime), I'd love to hear your reasons for preferring Textmate over vim (I haven't used Textmate myself).

For me, it's the ease of use, the HTML bundle's shortcuts for quickly slicing through markup, the automatic recognition of languages embedded within languages (JavaScript bundle and syntax highlighting automatically activated when the cursor is in JS code inside HTML). The easy macro recording doesn't hurt either.

AckMate solved the only real issue I had with TextMate, so I'm a pretty happy coder with it now.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by Hisoka »

teaspoon wrote: post #75
phillmv wrote: post #67

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Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

We're talking about people who already ponied up $60. From that alone, you can't infer (a) that another $60 is a pittance to them, (b) that they own a MacBook or any computer at all, (c) that they are professional developers, or (d) that they are capable of using vim. If you think that any of those is a given, you're spending too much time on HN. And how the concept of "charity" is relevant to paying customers of a p…

The concept of charity is entirely relevant here. This is a business, we're not here to give money away when we don't have to. Geez, keep your opinions to yourself, if you feel you should pay for it, then go pay for it, and donate even more if you feel it's worth it. I don't care if it's $1, $20 or $100. It's the PRINCIPLE. He's in a BUSINESS. This ain't no feel-good charity here.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by spooneybarger »

alttag wrote: post #30
gecko wrote: post #21

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As I said: I can understand Marco wanting to pay. I didn't like my meal, Marco did, and he should feel free to give a great tip. I'm focused on the people who are saying that Macromates should charge users for the upgrade they said would be free. This would be equivalent to someone saying that, because they enjoyed their meal at the restaurant, the restaurant should charge a mandatory 25% tip to all current patrons o…

I think you're right that everyone shouldn't be charged because Marco and others think the product is worth it. Some bought it on the promise of a free upgrade. An upgrade to version 2 wasn't part of the "value" I attributed to TM when I bought it years ago, so were it not free, I'd seriously consider buying anyway (even though I do little coding nowadays, and am impressed with SublimeText2). So, count me as mixed on…

I never would have bought TM1 w/o the promise of TM2.

Even with that, I kind of regret buying it. For how I used it, it was a decent text editor that allowed me to experience the spinning beach ball of death at least 10 times a day.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by frankPants »

He should start a donation fund to pay for the development of TextMate2. I'd happily throw a few hundred $$$ into that. I own TextMate 1, so I get the update for free.

Problem for him is, he'd open himself up to litigation if he tried to charge for TextMate 2. However I'm also of the opinion that the lack of release is due to the lack of cash. If he could see money rolling in via "donations" maybe he'd be more capable of paying his bills and continuing to develop his great editor.

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