OK, let's start by saying that this is specifically for US young men. And since the USA has a higher percentage of citizens either behind bars or having been inside this is not so surprising. Other developed countries support the unemployed, so they're much less likely to commit crime to survive.
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If court records are public, is there any technical reason a company could not scrape the records and perform background checks? Or is it a cultural difference that makes background checks less popular?
The various predecessors of the GDPR forbid it.
Forbid looking at court records? Or forbid monetizing it?
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Ok but if I run a bank I don't want to hire Bernie Madoff, no matter how much time he served. So having the government tell me I can discriminate based on conviction for financial crimes but not drug possession more than 5 years ago seems reasonable. At least to improve the status quo.
If the government says an individual isn't allowed to do something, like work in a financial profession or live near a school, that's up to the government to determine and enforce: "quit/relocate or you'll be back in prison." Don't put that on businesses.
Right now there is a block list on hiring discrimination. I’m suggesting an allow list.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
This misses the point. There's an obvious solution: disallow employers (except in outlier cases where there are safety concerns) from using criminal background checks in hiring decisions.
I think you've missed the point. Employers have a valid reason to want to disallow those with criminal backgrounds from a large swath of jobs. This is an area where I think regulation would be helpful/necessary, in that when doing a background check that the employer needs to enter business and job scope, and then the law would define which types of criminal background would be relevant and potentially disqualifying…
Here in Norway employers can ask the police for the criminal record for a potential employee[1]. The employer must have a legal right to request the records, and must state the reason and use for the request.
Employers for most common jobs will not have a right to request these records.
The police will then filter the criminal records, if any, so that only relevant entries are listed.
This allows employees who have a genuine need reject potential candidates on legitimate grounds, while giving people a reasonable chance to start over in case they do something wrong.
[1]: https://www.politiet.no/en/services/police-certificate-of-co...
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#105One of the few 501(c)3's I will give money to is an organization that helps offenders go straight when they get out of jail and I see my name on a very short list of private donors. In the 1990s I was a victim of what I would call "Domestic Terrorism", the ringleader of the group didn't go to prison for his actions against me and other people at my college but I did hear that he went to prison for drug charges not lo…
College administrators are like that sometimes. You wonder if they're really rooting for you or not.
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#106In previous centuries, there were plenty of jobs with low trust requirements - chiefly, unskilled manual labor. A criminal record wasn’t such a barrier to that type of employment. Someone could spend time in prison, and then still find work on the outside. Not great work perhaps, but a living - a way forward for them, to re-integrate back into society. A way to slowly rebuild trust. The shift away from unskilled manu…
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As in anything, some middle-ground is where things generally sit. The no record available once the sentence is completed is fine until someone gets killed or their daughter raped by someone with extensive criminal record of things not related to murder or rape. The unfortunate reality is, a certain type of people will continue to commit crimes all their life and many of them aren't even premeditated, it's a "it just…
Blaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.
Your assumption is more racist in my opinion. It sounds more classist to me, but I think that's just reality. Desperate people make desperate decisions, and their pro con list is different then middle and upper class.
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I think the opposite is more likely. WFH increases the level of trust needed between employer and employee.
I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. It's not exactly wfh, it's just having your own business that does not require (much of) an office.
Completely unrelated to the thread but
> I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase.
How do you sleep at night? Honest question. I want to know the assumptions and reasoning that leads to one being comfortable with this decision.
I’m probably more worried than I should be, but every time I look at my puny little openBSD webserver’s log, I find about 2 to 5 new attempts to scan my server for various exploits a month. Each attempt is a relentless scans looking for all sorts of holes with hundreds of potential exploits. The first time I read those logs, I swore I would never move from openBSD + httpd ever.
The internet is outright hostile to any computer with an ip address and a port open to the internet.
I’m sure there are some companies out there that provide hosting solutions that do a good job at keeping things updated - but even they are defenseless against things like the recent log4j vulnerability (and that’s just the stuff the good guys caught). At the very least, I would want to know who is building my websites and what their track record is.
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#109In previous centuries, there were plenty of jobs with low trust requirements - chiefly, unskilled manual labor. A criminal record wasn’t such a barrier to that type of employment. Someone could spend time in prison, and then still find work on the outside. Not great work perhaps, but a living - a way forward for them, to re-integrate back into society. A way to slowly rebuild trust. The shift away from unskilled manu…
From what I've read and heard, most truck driving jobs (every thing from rollback/tow trucks to long distance OTR) are full of ex-cons or ASPD type individuals-- it may even be a pre-requisite for towing companies.
Day labor like roofing, sheetrock, landscaping, etc. also typically have similar representation. Any temp agency for factory work will have a threshold or types of conviction that they will overlook, but they may be even more hostile towards their workers.
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#110This is horrifying. You have a huge number of disfranchised people, who can't normally participate in society -- they can't get a job, they can't a mate. On this path lies radicalization and violence. I'm not sure you understand how truly chilling this is. These people, with nothing to lose, absolutely nothing to lose, have easy access to weapons and ammunition. You are sitting on a very very large powder keg and it…
It has already happened, notice how any BLM type protest quickly erupts into looting and chaos at dusk. Also organized retail crime in San Francisco, train theft in Los Angeles, crime gangs in south Chicago, etc.
Defunding police also serves them well to run rampant crime without the fear of prosecution for their crimes