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Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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Sounds incel-y. Most men have no problem sleeping around. They just don't want the women who are interested in them.

Sounds incel-y? It screams it. Let see, calls women who have sex "sl*ts". Says it's easier for women. Says older men are more attractive than women.

It checks all the boxes for a redpill/incel nonsense.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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Wow this thread is wild. My understanding is it's because nobody can afford their own place - either living with their parents or roommates.

Indeed, there are so many problems caused by the lack of housing construction (that is nationwide and codified in law) that many attribute to pretty much anything but this readily identifiable trend.

I also believe it is a significant input to the trend of younger people not "bothering" to work hard. From the perspective of someone very young, it may well appear that working 40+ hours per week does little to increase their actual standard of living. This is historically demonstrated to reduce entry into the workforce so long as people are otherwise able to meet their needs (e.g., not starve or go homeless), and in the U.S. an 18 year-old used to be able to get a full-time job then with one or two buddies afford their own apartment (and own room). In many places across the U.S., they will be sharing rooms in an apartment which may be a reduction in standard of living from "mom's basement".

Both "mom's basement" and room sharing may be perceived as low class and undesirable, particularly for a young man, as status is one of the historically strong factors for attracting women.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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The article almost exclusively talks about the US. One reason that isn't mentioned in the article is because the US is fundamentally based on puritanism and a lot of its values, especially concerning passion and sexuality are still prevalent in its culture. The "All American" OJ and corn flakes breakfast and circumcision (used as a form of genital mutilation to prevent masturbation) by Kellogs is still practiced to t…

Sorry I must have missed something how do you link Kelloggs the cereal company with circumcision?

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Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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From my perspective and direct experience, it’s widespread porn use, which has extremely detrimental effects on your dopamine system, which leads to something you might term ‘lack of charisma, confidence and vital energy’, which leads to less people having sex due to confidence/charisma issues and lack of any drive. By my experience and observation, porn is really bad for oneself, and it’s really addicting. I’m a mil…

Has it increased the frequency that you have sex?

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Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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It's burying the lede to suggest that young people are having less sex. The salient fact is that it's young men who are skewing this average down. Women, on average, are doing perfectly fine in the sexual marketplace, along with the top 10-15% of men. edit: The above was my reflexive response to the headline. Now that I've actually read the article, I have to say that the article is very good and quite comprehensive,…

Here's one of the studies linked in the article, published in 2014: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4011992/

Quoting from the "Age at first sex" section:

The median age at first sex declined among women born in the 1950s and 1960s, but beginning with women born in the 1970s, this trend halted at about 17.0 years of age, and the median age actually increased by almost a year among cohorts coming of age in the late 1990s. Accordingly, the “current” median age (i.e., the median for the most recent cohort for which a median can be calculated) at first sex is 17.8 for women.

A similar increase beginning with the 1982 birth cohort was seen for men (Figure 2), although median age at first sex was stable for those born between 1960 and 1985, at about 17.0. The “current” median age at first sex for men is 18.1.

So young people start having sex about a year later, men 0.1 years later than women. Not really a huge difference compared to the overall change.

If you think that women must have a lot more sex than men because they'd have an easy time finding a random man who'd sleep with them, you should consider that most women don't want to sleep with just any random man. Similarly, if men who're not having sex were fine with any random partner, they could just pay a prostitute. But clearly people have higher standards than that.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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I'm surprised the article doesn't talk more about the population dynamics of any animal with a fixed amount of space: it either consumes everything it needs to survive and goes extinct, or it approaches an equilibrium population.

I have to imagine that pre-agrarian humans occasionally made the wrong choice there and the whole tribe starved, so genes for population regulation were likely selected for. Less sex as a response to less space (at your parents house or in the tiny apartment that you can barely afford) seems like the straightforward and favorable way for those genes to express.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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If you listened to this summary of research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXU0kRSV1rU

and believed it you might come to the conclusion that most people having casual sex aren't having sex because they want to have sex but because they want to influence their social standing in their group.

I'm particularly amused by the homosocial character of the pick-up and seduction industry, that is, it is men talking to other men about their conquests and attempted conquests. It's like they are doing it to prove they are not gay, not because they really want sex or other intimacy.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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If you are a young man in this environment, I hate to say it but you are going to need something more similar to a “strategy” than “tactics.”

Approaching or chasing women, purely to try to further the species, is now profoundly uncool and stigmatized. The best way to get sex now is To actually build or organize something meaningful which has the side effect of putting you in touch or opening reasonable conversation pathways to a wide range of people.

Unless you have a logical, justified reason to talk to a woman for “business purposes,” you probably shouldn’t bother. Everyone is too busy, and sex is felt to be a third place priority behind work.

I am married and don’t need to play this game anymore, but I have noticed that organizing a event to support a “for good cause” has enabled me to talk to any woman, anywhere, of every age.

If I were single, I would very much focus on building a business; startup; community which has a public good element to it.

Unfortunately, not everyone in society is a creative entrepreneur type.

For me, I am highly introverted and don’t want anything to do with most avenues for social interaction.

Another strategy: Learn to make friends with women and ask them for help. That’s how I met my wife.

Having several female friends who can give you advice and referrals is 10,0000x better than playing the tinder game.

Deep Friendship with women is something I have learned is one of the more important aspects of the Richness of my life.

Women will get you other women, trust me.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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From my perspective and direct experience, it’s widespread porn use, which has extremely detrimental effects on your dopamine system, which leads to something you might term ‘lack of charisma, confidence and vital energy’, which leads to less people having sex due to confidence/charisma issues and lack of any drive. By my experience and observation, porn is really bad for oneself, and it’s really addicting. I’m a mil…

Not as much porn use as very regular ejaculation. I have started to look into sexuality and tantra, and it really seems like there are some effects people will only see after 5-6 days abstinence. And yes, the added energy will definitely also make men more willing to do the hunt, if they don't ejaculate 2 times a day. Porn, however, seems to be the enabler of so much ejaculation. Then again: The risk / unknowns of ge…

> the added energy will definitely also make men more willing to do the hunt

You know this sounds creepy right? Misogynistic?

Women are more than trophies to be won in a hunt. They're people, just like you and I.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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One of my greatest problems is knowing what is right and wrong when courting for a mate. The rules are changing so rapidly that what I learned in sex-ed is outdated, and not even talking about what my parents could teach me. The public discourse on sex is also mostly negative and discouraging. And this is what we meditate on a daily basis -- when you hear more about women feeling the need to wear, well weapons, when…

I've been out of the game for so long that maybe I'm completely out of touch, but if I was to re-enter the market for some reason, I'd approach this more as a challenge to get to know people and make friends rather than a quick way to get to rub genitals together.

That would basically lead to ignoring anyone expecting to be courted, but I don't think I'd lose much in that.

Following stupid dating game rules is stupid.

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