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Re: Audiblegate

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The giant nosed character shown in the twitter preview for the audiblegate.com site brings to mind some uncomfortable and hopefully unintentional stereotypes.

It has large ears too. Which stereotype are you referring to that has large ears and noses? Brits perhaps?

Re: Audiblegate

#103
I feel like the Twitter thread—for all its focus on royalty math—is missing some crucial context for people not immersed in the sausage-making of audiobooks, specifically Audible's ACX platform. I worked for Audible some years ago, so understand this context a bit better than most, and can explain for those who are interested. I left Audible not too long after ACX launched, but remember many meetings about it. To be fair, though, I was not directly involved in the creation of ACX and my recollection of its details are fuzzy.

The thread author's complaint about Audible relates specifically to ACX. Again, even if you are an avid AB listener, you are probably not aware of the existence of ACX because its function is extremely boring. It's Audible's "audiobook rights marketplace". It is designed especially for people that hold the rights to books that would otherwise not be produced in audio. Those people can use the ACX platform to connect with narrators and producers who will help them record an audiobook version of their text, which will eventually be distributed on Audible—and therefore Amazon and (the holy grail) iTunes.

If you're Stephen King, then Simon & Schuster is your publisher in hardcover, paperback, ebook, audio, whatever. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that Stephen King's next novel will be made into an audiobook, and it will release the same day in every format imaginable. The Stephen Kings of the [audio]book world will have never have anything to do with ACX. No need.

On the other hand, if you're a low-to-mid-tier author published by a smaller house that doesn't have audiobook production capabilities, things get dicier. Before Audible, many, many, many books were never made into audiobooks. Audiobook production is time-consuming and expensive, and audiobooks were a niche format. Audiobook rights, therefore were often sold to audiobook-only publishing houses that don't hold quite the same prestige as names like Random House or Penguin. You've probably never heard of these publishing houses, except maybe at the beginning of an audiobook: "Blackstone Audio presents…", "Brilliance Audio presents…", "Recorded Books Presents", etc. Those audiobook-only publishing houses could pick up the rights to reasonably well-known books and authors that their print publisher had no intention of producing in audio.

Now that audiobooks have become much, much more mainstream—in no small part thanks to Audible's efforts—there are fewer scraps from the major publishers to fight over. Today there is a much greater likelihood that a print book will be published in unabridged audio than there was twenty years ago. But there are still many "lost" books that didn't get picked up by the major audiobook publishing houses. Or the mid-tier ones, or even the bottom feeders. That's where ACX comes in.

If you must use ACX to publish your audiobook, it's been overlooked (perhaps unfairly) by just about everyone else who could stand to make a buck off of purchasing the audio rights and producing it. Perhaps there is a more charitable way to put it, but that's the gist.

Using ACX is definitely a gamble. It's a gamble for everyone except Audible. The gamble is this: you will spend thousands of dollars producing an audiobook. In exchange you will get distribution on the biggest audiobook marketplaces in the world: Audible, Amazon, iTunes. As I recall, there were ways to split this risk. If a narrator/producer believed that the audiobook would be a best-seller, they could negotiate a lower upfront fee in exchange for a cut of back-end sales, for example.

The specific terms of the ACX deal you sign on for are certainly in Audible's favor. The only way to get better terms is to have your audiobook rights picked up by a major publishing house that has a deal in place with Audible already. Then you are largely shielded from all of these details by your publisher/manager/lawyer. If you're on ACX, it's likely because you have no other choice. Audible's fee here is largely just a way to gatekeep access to their huge distribution platforms: the Audible service itself, Amazon, and iTunes.

I can't speak to the specifics of the author's complaints about how royalties are calculated. But knowing the people that worked, and still work at Audible, my gut feeling is that there is no malicious intent here. At worst, there is an imbalance of emotional investment between the authors and Audible. These authors have, after all, likely spent years of their life working on a book and shepherding it through the publishing world themselves without the aid of a publishing house. Audible, on the other hand, is largely devoted to the content they publish, the Audible platform itself, and their goal of converting people into subscribers.

Re: Audiblegate

#104
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should listen to better books then.

I think you're misunderstanding OP. The way Audible book pricing works is a little byzantine. The "list" price of most titles is somewhere in the neighborhood of $50. Plus or minus. But as a subscriber you're given one credit each month, for $15. So right there you can get the same title for much cheaper if it's your credit redemption. But that's not all. If you buy the Kindle edition of a book, it's only $7.50 or so…

Most of the audible books I buy are in the $25-35 range full price. There are a few I've listened to multiple times and now could certainly justify spending full price for them.

With that said, I do think I misinterpreted what they were saying, which was more speaking to the original outcome if full price than what they would do now regarding each book.

Re: Audiblegate

#105

It's terrible for the narrator too. In many cases the narrator makes a bad decision to record the Audiobook not for a per-finished-hour rate, but as a "Royalty Share" where they only earn on the Royalty -- that's 20% (50-50 royalty split with the author) on the audiobook version. In most cases a narrator will never earn even close to minimum wage for the effort to create an audiobook. And it's more effort than you mi…

Out of curiosity, why does it take 5-12 hours to record one finished hour?

Re: Audiblegate

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post #11

The twitter thread and the accompanying website don't quite tell me what's going on besides 'not as much money as expected'. But I can't quite see what the 'Net Sales' problem is, it's just stated as "less money" for no reason? Although I am tired so maybe something just isn't clicking. I don't doubt that the terms of the deal are poor though. I had wondered for a while how the credit system worked, and if the increa…

The site has more details in other articles. They're not worth reading. There's no substance just a lot of charged language. And I'm really annoyed at spending any time at all on reading this. The narrators don't get paid by the retail price (and the contract doesn't suggest they would). Basically Audible splits the money spent on credits among the books that the credits were spent on in proportion to the number of c…

> Apparently that floor is being hit every time, i.e. Audible is paying them more than they are actually required by the contract. The author thinks this is a smoking gun that proves how they're being cheated, which is an odd take.

You think it is fair that Amazon sets an arbitrary low price, and then makes the authors take the cost. That's an odder take. If Amazon wants to sell their tokens at price X, have a campaign or whatever, that's a cost they should take. Not just dictate what the price should be and pay royalties based on that.

Re: Audiblegate

#107
post #11

The twitter thread and the accompanying website don't quite tell me what's going on besides 'not as much money as expected'. But I can't quite see what the 'Net Sales' problem is, it's just stated as "less money" for no reason? Although I am tired so maybe something just isn't clicking. I don't doubt that the terms of the deal are poor though. I had wondered for a while how the credit system worked, and if the increa…

> But again, I would buy a small fraction of the audiobooks I have purchased at full price. I’ve got ~300 audible books in my library, and I can safely say I’d have bought exactly none of them at full price.

And those promotions should be a cost of Amazon, not the authors. Weird how Amazon can take your product, sell it for a quarter of the price, and then claim they now owe you no money.

Re: Audiblegate

#108

I worked on a tool at Amazon once that incorrectly calculated royalties, not because Amazon was greedily trying to steal from publishers, but just because of general incompetence (or, lack of sufficient competence maybe). Basically, of the people who wrote the tool, tested the tool, and used the tool, none of them knew exactly how royalties should be calculated and none of them could tell whether or not they were bei…

> Maybe it's greed in this case, but in my time at Amazon I saw many teams in "Keep Lights On" mode where one or two people with vague memories of how services are supposed to work try to keep them running

I worked for Amazon as well, and I'd say it is greed, not in that the behavior was purposely designed to be malicious, but in the way they don't properly fund developers to work through their tech depts, and spend proper time and effort to make sure all the systems work, have been thoroughly tested, have lots of test coverage, that the teams manages to keep subject matter expert around, etc.

Amazon doesn't because it's too expansive to have dev resources doing all that, so most projects get released using the bare minimum, and get maintained using the bare minimum.

Re: Audiblegate

#109
post #15
post #11

The twitter thread and the accompanying website don't quite tell me what's going on besides 'not as much money as expected'. But I can't quite see what the 'Net Sales' problem is, it's just stated as "less money" for no reason? Although I am tired so maybe something just isn't clicking. I don't doubt that the terms of the deal are poor though. I had wondered for a while how the credit system worked, and if the increa…

The site has more details in other articles. They're not worth reading. There's no substance just a lot of charged language. And I'm really annoyed at spending any time at all on reading this. The narrators don't get paid by the retail price (and the contract doesn't suggest they would). Basically Audible splits the money spent on credits among the books that the credits were spent on in proportion to the number of c…

Without having read the whole page, I understand form your summary that:

A) amazon alone decides when to float credits and their price

B) authors are promised a certain rate (40%) of the price, but in reality this credit system destroys that %% completely

C) in the end amazon makes always a >60% profit off each book, irrespective of the price sold.

D) Their incentive is thus to sell as many units as they can, underprice all competitors with cheap credits, and overall corner the market to make sure producers can't get around them.

Total monopolistic practices with abuse of market power. In a competitive environment no producer would accept this.

Re: Audiblegate

#110
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should listen to better books then.

I think you're misunderstanding OP. The way Audible book pricing works is a little byzantine. The "list" price of most titles is somewhere in the neighborhood of $50. Plus or minus. But as a subscriber you're given one credit each month, for $15. So right there you can get the same title for much cheaper if it's your credit redemption. But that's not all. If you buy the Kindle edition of a book, it's only $7.50 or so…

If you run out of credits, you can also buy 3 extra for £18 (I'm not sure what the USD price is). That's significantly cheaper than buying 3 audio books at full price.

Credits with frequent 2-for-1 sales, £3 sales and £1 sales, there is just no reason to ever pay retail price on Audible.

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