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Re: Audiblegate

#11
The twitter thread and the accompanying website don't quite tell me what's going on besides 'not as much money as expected'. But I can't quite see what the 'Net Sales' problem is, it's just stated as "less money" for no reason? Although I am tired so maybe something just isn't clicking. I don't doubt that the terms of the deal are poor though.

I had wondered for a while how the credit system worked, and if the increase in sales made up for the 'deal' off audiobooks. I get $50-$60 audiobooks for $15, there's something mismatched there. Either the audiobook was priced at an extreme premium, or, it seems, Amazon just isn't paying the price I would expect.

Edit: I found one response from an author that I think makes a simple point, if not perhaps what the thread describes (still can't tell). It's impossible for authors to calculate their expected royalties as there are so many varieties of discounts and price points that customers can pay for a single book: https://twitter.com/AdamEcclesBooks/status/14933236569105489...

Which makes sense to me, as there's purchases and credits and various subscription tiers and audible unlimited and these are just the things I can think up off the top of my head. But again, I would buy a small fraction of the audiobooks I have purchased at full price.

Re: Audiblegate

#12
Have they asked Audible to explain what numbers they have / for an explication?

I don’t feel like the twitter thread was detailed enough to be sure what is happening.

Re: Audiblegate

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post #11

The twitter thread and the accompanying website don't quite tell me what's going on besides 'not as much money as expected'. But I can't quite see what the 'Net Sales' problem is, it's just stated as "less money" for no reason? Although I am tired so maybe something just isn't clicking. I don't doubt that the terms of the deal are poor though. I had wondered for a while how the credit system worked, and if the increa…

The site has more details in other articles. They're not worth reading. There's no substance just a lot of charged language. And I'm really annoyed at spending any time at all on reading this.

The narrators don't get paid by the retail price (and the contract doesn't suggest they would). Basically Audible splits the money spent on credits among the books that the credits were spent on in proportion to the number of credits spent on that book, but weighted by the retail price. I.e. a credit spent on a long expensive book pays the narrator more than the same credit spent on a medium length book, even though the credit cost the same to customer.

There's an undocumented revenue floor for price tranche of books. If the revenues per copy would end up lower than the floor in a billing period due to e.g. some promotion that flooded the economy with cheap credits, Audible makes up the difference and pays the narrator at least that minimum amount per copy. Apparently that floor is being hit every time, i.e. Audible is paying them more than they are actually required by the contract. The author thinks this is a smoking gun that proves how they're being cheated, which is an odd take.

Since the credits are far cheaper than the retail prices, it should hardly be surprising that the effective sales price is cheaper than the retail price.

Re: Audiblegate

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The giant nosed character shown in the twitter preview for the audiblegate.com site brings to mind some uncomfortable and hopefully unintentional stereotypes.

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Re: Audiblegate

#18
I am confused. I spent a decent amount of time reading the thread and the linked article, and I see no proof, only an accusation that Amazon/Audible are manipulating their calculation of “Net Sales” in “shady ways”. Is the accusation that people are getting paid a percentage of an audible credit instead of a percentage of the retail price when a credit is used? Or that they don’t get paid when someone returns a purchase? Because those both seem very obviously how it should work and not at all a -gate situation. If someone has a better understanding of the root problem, I’d be very happy for a short explanation.

Re: Audiblegate

#19

I think this thread is excessively vague and potentially taking advantage of ignorance on how precisely audible is shady. It seems to assume the royalty statements should come out of list price, but in actuality audible has multiple list prices- is it cash or credit? is it regular or premium subscription? These all are quite different and pay out differently. If it is such that audible is paying 40% less than it shou…

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Re: Audiblegate

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492810241372741636.html

Also https://www.audiblegate.com/post/audible-royalties-ain-t-roy... . I may submit this separately.

It would be a dupe since it's the same story. It's probably a better submission though, so you could email the mods to replace URL on this one.
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