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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by authed »

prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

From 2014: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

I too wish that there would be an easy way to disconnect my car (it is of zero use to me).

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by auslegung »

grishka wrote: post #93
rndgermandude wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a story of some rental car that couldn't be unlocked again on some remote parking lot, because it was out of range. The customer did nothing wrong. They ended up having to tow the car in the end, if I remember correctly. With actual possession of vehicles going down, in favor of leases (or leases-to-buy) and short term rentals/"ride-sharing", and with ever more permanent monitoring, the future seems to go i…

There's a difference between owning something or renting it. When you rent something, there's a contract you sign that specifies what you can and can't do. You generally expect the owner to have the technical capability to enforce the contract in case you breach it. But when you own it, then no one else should retain any sort of control over it, period. It's yours only. (You obviously don't own something if you got i…

Agreed, but with DMCA (and probably other laws) our concept of ownership is gone. Any music one buys that has DMCA, isn’t owned it’s just rented, and yet most people don’t realize that. So there’s a precedence for thinking we own something when in practice we just rent it. I can see that happening with cars. For example the law that was just passed that new cars will have to come with alcohol detectors https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/10/16/bil.... Whether we think this would be good or not, it’s eroding our concept of ownership.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by foobarian »

refurb wrote: post #90
jemfinch wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't how it works in the US. In the US, the car is titled to the bank until the loan is paid in full, then the bank transfers the title to you.

Is that state specific? I recall some banks holding liens against titles instead? I recall buying a used car where the bank lien had to be removed prior to transfer.

It could be we're not distinguishing lease vs. finance in these threads. In my experience in Massachusetts, lease titles were in a holding company's name, while financed vehicles were in my own.

P.S. Looking around a bit there is a lot of variation on how this works depending on locale. So I guess lease vs. finance is just another way things can differ out there.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by paul_f »

simonh wrote: post #37
scoopertrooper wrote: post #31

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Well, technically, the bank owns the car till you pay it off. So, maybe they are advocating for their customers?

I don't think that's quite right, you own the vehicle legally and you owe the bank the loan. However as soon as a repossession takes place the legal title to the vehicle does change.

The finance company becomes the owner once payments stop. Telsa is therefore helping the legal owner of the car. I don't have a problem with this.

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Post by the_optimist »

oxymoran wrote: post #99

Ya’ll are overlooking the reasoning behind this for Tesla: this would make a bank more willing to give out a loan to nearly anyone, even with questionable credit, if the car assisted with its own repo. It’s a play to get more Teslas on the road.

Only in the same sense as making any usability improvement. Making car loans in general is also “a play to sell more cars.” There’s no point to such interpretation.

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Post by yardie »

jcims wrote: post #50
yardie wrote: post #40

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Th title is in the owners name with a note of a bank lien on it. When you sell the car the bank lien is settled first and then the transfer can begin. In most cases you can’t register the car without the title and you cant drive the car without it being registered.

Interesting. It must be recorded at the county or something then? I haven’t seen a title for a vehicle in quite some time.

My state it's all electronic now. I have a paper title for my records but the it's just a fascimile of the digital original. To complete the sale I'd need to bring it into the tax collectors office where they update the digital record and print a new paper title for the next owner or do it at a dealership.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by jsjohnst »

jemfinch wrote: post #72
simonh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. I meant when the repossession order is issued.

This isn't how it works in the US. In the US, the car is titled to the bank until the loan is paid in full, then the bank transfers the title to you.

That isn’t correct. The car is titled to you, the bank is added as a lien holder in a separate part of the title. Happy to show proof if desired.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by akvadrako »

prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

I'm not sure how your bicycle usage is relevant. Many new electric bikes also have GPS + SIM tracking.
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