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Turning stem cells into human eggs

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Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

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natural selection is a cultural myth (like everything talking about an undefined "nature"), may be you'r thinking about evolution theory which is driven by reproduction success, but we already bypass it, living far beyond our fertility time :)

Can you explain what you mean by "natural selection is a cultural myth"? It is possible that we can "naturally" evolve to live far beyond our individual fertility, and humans did live long before civilization. Complex species like humans require a ton of knowledge and skill training. Old and experienced people can be incredibly valuable to a tribe if they can teach and care for the young, even if they can no longer r…

> It is possible that we can "naturally" evolve

there is no doubt on that, we're evolving, we're even able to trace some minor genetic evolutions over the 7k last years. but the cultural myth of "natural selection" or "naturally" evolving is in the question : what is "natural" and by extension, what is'nt ? kin evolution or social behaviors always end up as reproduction success, and the failure to do so, "naturally" or "artificially" end up in extinction, that's all. there is nothing specifically "natural" or "artificial" here. when talking about genetics the involved time scales badly fit cultural consideration like thoses. it is not less "natural" to gain reproductive success by genetic intervention than without, unless you are able to explain what is this "nature". or in other words : there is nothing to bypass unless you'r able to say/describe/explain what :)

Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

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300 adults to take care of 3,000,000 million kids and maintain the colony. Talk about overworked parents.

300 adults have to take care of may be 600, those 600 can then take care of 1200 and so on. Thought this forum was for folks with basic intelligence.

that solves the genetic bottleneck, but how do you solve the cultural bottleneck? you can send tons of media very compactly but that's a shadow of what you get living in another active culture.

Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

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Can you explain what you mean by "natural selection is a cultural myth"? It is possible that we can "naturally" evolve to live far beyond our individual fertility, and humans did live long before civilization. Complex species like humans require a ton of knowledge and skill training. Old and experienced people can be incredibly valuable to a tribe if they can teach and care for the young, even if they can no longer r…

> It is possible that we can "naturally" evolve there is no doubt on that, we're evolving, we're even able to trace some minor genetic evolutions over the 7k last years. but the cultural myth of "natural selection" or "naturally" evolving is in the question : what is "natural" and by extension, what is'nt ? kin evolution or social behaviors always end up as reproduction success, and the failure to do so, "naturally"…

Oh. Are you just saying that everything we do is natural? That the idea that we are somehow separate from nature is bullshit?

Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

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> It is possible that we can "naturally" evolve there is no doubt on that, we're evolving, we're even able to trace some minor genetic evolutions over the 7k last years. but the cultural myth of "natural selection" or "naturally" evolving is in the question : what is "natural" and by extension, what is'nt ? kin evolution or social behaviors always end up as reproduction success, and the failure to do so, "naturally"…

Oh. Are you just saying that everything we do is natural? That the idea that we are somehow separate from nature is bullshit?

as long as "nature", being highly polysemic, is'nt defined, yes.

Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

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300 adults have to take care of may be 600, those 600 can then take care of 1200 and so on. Thought this forum was for folks with basic intelligence.

that solves the genetic bottleneck, but how do you solve the cultural bottleneck? you can send tons of media very compactly but that's a shadow of what you get living in another active culture.

Colonizing mars would be pretty much like Colonization of USA minus the genocide of natives.

The poorest and hated folks would be the first to go to mars, (think of illegal immigrants in USA, both democrats and republicans might agree to give citizenship of their relatives if they volunteer to go to Mars) these people would eventually build their own civilization would be envy of earth.

Re: Turning stem cells into human eggs

#106
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Oh goody. Now we don't need females /s Why does anybody think this is a good idea? The 'right' of same-sex couples to have children via gametes their own bodies cannot produce is not at all obvious. For centuries, the interdependence of the sexes for reproduction has formed the basis for human society. We should not be so willing to give this up because a small minority of people find the other sex distasteful for th…

The 'right' of same-sex couples to have children via gametes their own bodies cannot produce is not at all obvious And the 'right' of you or me to stop them is?

Trade and commerce is something the government regulates and stopping the sale of human flesh is a worthwhile goal.

Regulating business is wholly different from regulating bodily relations between two individuals. In the same way I'd encourage regulations for brothels and prostitutes, which constitute a business, while finding similar regulations between spouses abhorrent.

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