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O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by matthewfcarlson »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #94
GordonS wrote: post #45

Microsoft has faced so much criticism for their approach to telemetry - I don't really understand why they don't at least provide the option to opt out of all telemetry. If they left it enabled by default, but provided an option to opt-out, realistically only a small segment of users would do so, and most of them would likely be power users who are already taking other steps to try to prevent telemetry being collecte…

GDPR requires the opposite, data collection has to be opt in. I don't really see why the telemetry they capture doesn't count as peoples personal data honestly, it should given how much behavior information is available from it.

I believe it’s only opt in when it contains user identifying information. Information on did a feature work or not and how long search indexing took isn’t particularly sensitive once you strip off any device identifiers.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by stinos »

marcodiego wrote: post #77
breakfastduck wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no way to check if this app is sending network requests back 'home'? That doesn't seem correct at all.

For such an intrusive application there are many ways to hide it. Not saying they do it, but I see no way to check it unless looking at the source code.

Is it possible to circumvent Wireshark, Procmon and the likes? Otherwise those 2 combined give pretty good insight in what an application is doing wrt I/O.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by npteljes »

stinos wrote: post #95
npteljes wrote: post #92

Very nice that I turn off everything I want one time, but what about the next update that will randomly toggle some settings back? How about new settings for new features that are added? I think it's foolish to go use software like this, and expect some privacy to happen. Windows and its user are just not on the same page. What refreshed my hope in IT is the FOSS ecosystem. Where software is passively uncaring about…

what about the next update that will randomly toggle some settings back? Well, you run the tool again. It even tells you to do that after making changes.

I acted like this for a long time, and my trust remained broken.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by concinds »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #27
christophilus wrote: post #23

Fedora is my preferred solution to this problem.

https://ameliorated.info/ works too

This reminds me of the old "Windows XP Service Pack 4", or Windows 7 Minimalist ISOs that were going around. Generally, even the idea of using an OS downloaded from a random site (big Linux distributions excepted) is a security nightmare: you're trusting random, anonymous people not to put malware deep enough into the OS image where it won't easily be found. See XcodeGhost that got caught way after the fact.

Same exact reason people should strongly consider staying away from LineageOS builds and other such things, where the dev team of half a dozen non-vetted anonymous forum users is responsible for everything running on your phone. The "open-source means security because code gets vetted" argument only applies to big projects like Chromium, where hundreds of major corporations with world-class software engineers review, and contribute to the source code. Not to Lineage, where every phone model has its own build and dev team, and each build gets used by maybe a few hundred or thousand people, and reviewed by practically nobody. If there was one single Lineage build for all phones, I'd feel much more comfortable with it.

Though I have zero reason to distrust the Ameliorated folks, you generally never want to mess with software (especially OSes) downloaded from anyone other than the official vendor. The risk of using this is much higher than running proprietary ShutUp10, which is already non-zero since it's proprietary.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

#105

Post by devwastaken »

npteljes wrote: post #92

Very nice that I turn off everything I want one time, but what about the next update that will randomly toggle some settings back? How about new settings for new features that are added? I think it's foolish to go use software like this, and expect some privacy to happen. Windows and its user are just not on the same page. What refreshed my hope in IT is the FOSS ecosystem. Where software is passively uncaring about…

Historically tools like these were broken by windows updates and could not keep up with Microsoft's violent efforts in breaking them. You can't even turn off windows defender in the registry anymore, which is the sole reason windows performs terribly on low end devices. It sends the CPU and 5400rpm disk to 100% use all the time.

Windows is a threat to national security and Microsoft must be sanctioned. Business if they wish to avoid crypto lockers and actually care about "cyber security" will drop windows in favor of Mac/Linux.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

#106

Post by schleck8 »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #93

> `Disable advertisements via Bluetooth` A screenshot of the application on the website shows this option. I don't understand; are advertisements via Bluetooth some kind of Windows functionality and how does it work?

Windows has a P2P update distribution feature so I would not be surprised

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

#107

Post by lini »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #93

> `Disable advertisements via Bluetooth` A screenshot of the application on the website shows this option. I don't understand; are advertisements via Bluetooth some kind of Windows functionality and how does it work?

Perhaps they mean BT Beacon advertising? A small BT device can broadcast a notification to other BT devices nearby. It is used in some places for marketing.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by ThatCaio »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #93

> `Disable advertisements via Bluetooth` A screenshot of the application on the website shows this option. I don't understand; are advertisements via Bluetooth some kind of Windows functionality and how does it work?

Advertising as in broadcasting, not as in marketing.

Some Bluetooth LE devices use advertising as a way to constantly send out payloads without a direct receiver.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by neogodless »

devwastaken wrote: post #105
npteljes wrote: post #92

Very nice that I turn off everything I want one time, but what about the next update that will randomly toggle some settings back? How about new settings for new features that are added? I think it's foolish to go use software like this, and expect some privacy to happen. Windows and its user are just not on the same page. What refreshed my hope in IT is the FOSS ecosystem. Where software is passively uncaring about…

Historically tools like these were broken by windows updates and could not keep up with Microsoft's violent efforts in breaking them. You can't even turn off windows defender in the registry anymore, which is the sole reason windows performs terribly on low end devices. It sends the CPU and 5400rpm disk to 100% use all the time. Windows is a threat to national security and Microsoft must be sanctioned. Business if th…

Interesting.

My friend just put Windows 11 on his (original) Surface Go (Pentium Gold 4415Y, 8GB RAM, 128GB), and he cannot stop raving about how fast it is. He said he was considering putting Linux on it, but he isn't feeling the need to now. To be sure, that's not a 5400rpm desk, though, yeah, I haven't had to suffer through one of those in over a decade!

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by teawrecks »

npteljes wrote: post #92

Very nice that I turn off everything I want one time, but what about the next update that will randomly toggle some settings back? How about new settings for new features that are added? I think it's foolish to go use software like this, and expect some privacy to happen. Windows and its user are just not on the same page. What refreshed my hope in IT is the FOSS ecosystem. Where software is passively uncaring about…

Installed manjaro Linux as a dual boot. Loving it.
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