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Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by Symbiote »

captaincaveman wrote: post #80
Barrin92 wrote: post #21

if you haven't already use Firefox and recognize that this is a fundamental question of freedom and whether you want the internet to be controlled by dystopian corporate advertisement monoliths or institutions that care about your rights. Every time this comes up and 80% of discussions is about whether the tab bar in firefox is flat or three pixels wide instead of five makes me more depressed

I was put off by Firefox by some questionable opinionated decisions they made. I don't want a browser with a political agenda, just want one that that follows the specs and performs well.

Isn't Chrome making opinionated decisions (like this one), pushing a political agenda (anti-privacy, pro-corporatism, pro-monopoly etc) and abusing the standardisation process?

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by krageon »

erklik wrote: post #4
vadfa wrote: post #3

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The only browser that's been losing users for years is Firefox. That already tells Google all they need to know. (It also tells Mozilla what they need to know; pity they are deaf.)

Mozilla annoys me. Truly it does. However, it's the organisation. Firefox as a browser, especially dev tools, seems better in every day use than Chrome does. I am really not sure why they keep losing users. I do remember being massive performance issues in the past, but that's really not the case today (at least in my experience)

> dev tools

Chrome's devtools have been superior (faster, more reliable, more featureful) for years near as I can tell (and everyone I work with). I am curious what makes you feel firefox's devtools are better.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by blitzar »

quonn wrote: post #15
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #9

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>I am really not sure why they keep losing users. Because, number one, they keep constantly making radical UI/UX changes that frustrate and alienate their long term users who would rather they keep the "older look" which they got used to and works just fine for them, and number two, most websites are lazy so their devs only optimize for Chrome, even going the extra mile to explicitly state that "For best experience u…

I think the UI is finally good on macOS. The only thing I find strange now is the button-like tab style. Which seems like a minor issue.

But does it still halve my battery life?

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

cinquemb wrote: post #66
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #38

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What... Is the appeal of brave ? I hear it has crypto and shit but why not install Firefox with ubo and be done with it? I feel the "cool" factor of brave is silly as they are just fueling chromium. Why don't these chromium forks base on Firefox instead and do some leg work with the benefit of helping the internet as a whole ? I hear someone said on hn a long time ago, building on ff is a pita. Well guess what, Firef…

As someone who wouldn't mind if Mozilla post Eich can die under a metadata drone strike (doubly so for google) and will still use my FF fork and avoid chrome/chromium based browsers like the plague, brave, seems like they are willing to build in support for decentralized (to me at least) and p2p web directly into the browser (rather than leave it up to potentially less performant 3rd party extensions which may be ok,…

why cant brave build on top of firefox?

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

zuhsetaqi wrote: post #79
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #22

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> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly , and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but e…

Can you give some examples what you changed? I’m very curious because I’ve never heard about it and can’t imagine what people would do with it

Sure! I use a single toolbar at the top that contains back/forward, refresh/stop, menu dropdowns (which are all hidden except for History/Bookmarks/Tools), the address bar, my bookmarks toolbar buttons, and all addon buttons. Below that is my tab toolbar. This setup is accomplished by CSS with a bunch of position:absolute; and negative margins and stuff, because it's impossible to truly have all of these things in the same toolbar physically. Every single time they change stuff, it gets screwed up.

Prior to their rewrite of everything in version fifty-whatever, I could just drag-and-drop all this stuff into a single toolbar, but when they decided they knew better than me how I want my browser to look it all got 100x harder to get the layout I want.

In addition to this single-toolbar layout I have some easy stuff like highlighting the background color of "View background image" and "Copy link location" and I think 2-3 other things in the context menu a dark purple so that I misclick less often (this particular change is actually amazing and I highly recommend it!).

And I make the URL dropdown suggestions constrained to the width of the URL bar, not 100%, because I find the context switching of hiding the entire webpage too jarring when they're that wide. And I also hide a bunch of random buttons here and there that I find useless; I'm not sure what they are at this point because they've been hidden for so long...

Oh! And my highlight color (in URL bar, etc) is bright magenta (otherwise my theme is dark mode). Just because I like it. :) I use that in Sublimetext too, though I don't do that in every text editor/IDE.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by k_ »

krageon wrote: post #102
erklik wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla annoys me. Truly it does. However, it's the organisation. Firefox as a browser, especially dev tools, seems better in every day use than Chrome does. I am really not sure why they keep losing users. I do remember being massive performance issues in the past, but that's really not the case today (at least in my experience)

> dev tools Chrome's devtools have been superior (faster, more reliable, more featureful) for years near as I can tell (and everyone I work with). I am curious what makes you feel firefox's devtools are better.

Alternative take: [dev]tools are only as powerful as how well you know them. I'd like to think both firefox devtools and chrome devtools as highly capable, but you'll get way more out of the one you're used to, whichever it is.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

throwaway14356 wrote: post #82
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #22

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> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly , and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but e…

i tried maybe 300 extensions back in the days. Some 30 or so turned out useful enough to keep (for maxthon it was around 60) today non of these extensions exist and similar things are a joke by comparison lacking the large userbase and years of refinement. then i also frequently have no idea where most of the interface buttons have gone. i still use it but im far from locked into the ecosystem.

Honestly at this point I just miss the api that let you get tab-specific history which enabled MouseGestures to show a context menu on right-click scroll-up/down to go forward-back in current tab. It seems like such a minor thing that there's no reason not to support, and such a huge QOL to keep around. I feel the lack of it on a weekly basis like a decade (?) after it was removed, I'm never gonna get used to not having it.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by zorr »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #14

This is great news for Firefox. I switched a year ago and was forced to use Chrome once or twice (lack of call support in Teams web app; I'm unwilling to install the native (?) app). The main difference between Chrome and Firefox is that Chrome feels passively (and sometimes actively) user-hostile with things like not-so-intuitive Chrome-vs-Google login and many other things that may seem trifle details but are in fa…

To address the (?) in your comment: The downloadable Teams app is electron-based.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by lazybreather »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #25

I have a stupid idea. But first, a bunch of questions: - Can you legally advertise a product you're not affiliated with? Is this OK by the ToS of major ad networks? - Is it possible to target ads by user's browser? I'm thinking, maybe we should crowdfund a public interest ad, targeted at people browsing from Chrome, with some attention-grabbing art or distracting colors, and a clear message: "Want to stop seeing this…

Make this happen and I am going to do my best to publicize this. On the other hand, chrome is making it increasingly tough to use any other browser by sheer intuitive and useful features. Grouping tabs for eg. I know other would do it one day. But there is a lag. I wonder why other browsers (OSS) do not straight up copy any good features and release. Assuming there is good enough dev resources. Or is it really that hard to do it?
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