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Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by chiefalchemist »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

The real reason they were so pissed off at Assange seems to be in two parts: 1) The Chelsea Manning State Department cables. The video was all the hype, but just dig through the 'SECRET' cables on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Zero interest in 'human rights and democracy', lots of interests in oilfields, pipelines, military sales contracts, etc. 2) Those Vault7 CIA leaks are incredibly embarrassing, it's like so closet cr…

I'm reading "The Secret History of The American Empire." Recommended. It's difficult to believe Perkins - after his initial book - was still around to continue to tell the tales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fVAifnnlg0

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by sillystuff »

ch4s3 wrote: post #91
sillystuff wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also do not care for Biden, but, "the most loathsome human being we've ever elected President," is ignoring history. There isn't a single president where unpleasant facts about their actions are not documented-- there wasn't a single pure and good president of the united states-- ever, nor even one who did not engage in activities which could be described as "loathsome". Starting with George Washington who lead an…

> Starting with George Washington who lead an insurrection on behalf of rich slave owners (to protect slavery) This is absolutely ahistorical. None of the planners of the revolution ever documented this as a motivation. Some were even abolitionists. The British Slavery Abolition Act wasn't until 1833 anyway. On top of that, Dunmore's Proclamation which offered freedom to loyalist slaves was almost 8 months after the…

Here is a supporting source:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/blac...

Since you posted your comment suggesting the claim is false, I found this supporting your claim:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje...

This one will have to wait to find more authoritative scholarly sources. But, I accept that it is controversial and possibly in question.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by filoeleven »

pydry wrote: post #86
elpin wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"On July 6, 2016, WikiLeaks again contacted Guccifer 2.0 through Twitter’s private messaging function, writing, “if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after.” The Guccifer 2.0 persona responded, “ok . . . i see.” WikiLeaks also explained, “we think trump has only a 25% chance of winni…

This suggests they wanted Bernie to win. In any case, hitting up sources for leaks is, well, journalism.

No, it only suggests that they did not want Bernie supporters to solidify behind Clinton. The strongest suggestion is that they did not want Clinton to win.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by throwawaybutwhy »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #35

Assange needs to keep going. The Mandela moment is only a couple of political cycles away.

Nah. He has no uMkhonto we Sizwe behind him, nor a nation state financing, training, and arming his comrades, nor a wave of public opinion nor a wide international boycott of his enemies. Just a lonely guy rotting in prison.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by chiefalchemist »

viktorcode wrote: post #100
dehrmann wrote: post #82

> As an American citizen, I find it absolutely outrageous that our government would be contemplating kidnapping or assassinating somebody without any judicial process... I clipped it at an unfair point, but remember Anwar al-Awlaki? Obama ordered the execution of a US citizen in a foreign country without trial.

If I'm not mistaken this is allowed by the US law.

Allowed probably isn't the best-fit word. Based on what I've read, the then HW legal team found a legal loop hole (or sorts) and shoved the action through. Given the general nature of the situation it's unlikely anyone was going to step forward and make a legal challenge otherwise. And the media naturally sided with the WH.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by hutzlibu »

marcinzm wrote: post #85
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

The real reason they were so pissed off at Assange seems to be in two parts: 1) The Chelsea Manning State Department cables. The video was all the hype, but just dig through the 'SECRET' cables on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Zero interest in 'human rights and democracy', lots of interests in oilfields, pipelines, military sales contracts, etc. 2) Those Vault7 CIA leaks are incredibly embarrassing, it's like so closet cr…

> That's kind of insanely deceptive and criminal I think. That just seems like standard for spy agencies along with a pretty mild black propaganda angle. Even books about WW2 propaganda cover the topic. I think people just underestimate what spy agencies actually do and how dirty it’s always been.

"I think people just underestimate what spy agencies actually do and how dirty it’s always been. "

They do. But maybe they do, because of being told by the governments and in schools, that the CIA and co only fight terrorist and evil empires.

Those leaks showed the general public more of the real picture, not the fake official one. And sure, they do not like that.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

The real reason they were so pissed off at Assange seems to be in two parts: 1) The Chelsea Manning State Department cables. The video was all the hype, but just dig through the 'SECRET' cables on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Zero interest in 'human rights and democracy', lots of interests in oilfields, pipelines, military sales contracts, etc. 2) Those Vault7 CIA leaks are incredibly embarrassing, it's like so closet cr…

> 2) Those Vault7 CIA leaks are incredibly embarrassing, it's like so closet criminal organization - and with a program to run cyberwarfare attacks using Russian/Chinese signatures in the code to hide atttribution? That's kind of insanely deceptive and criminal I think.

I can’t tell if you’re being willfully obtuse or you’re just an extremely histrionic, but it’s clear you didn’t reach that conclusion through principled reasoning.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by CodeGlitch »

dehrmann wrote: post #84
CodeGlitch wrote: post #61

Couldn't read the article as Yahoo news is such a cluster-f*k of mess on-screen. Too many distractions, bad layout, autoplaying videos. ...and this is with heavy ad blocking. As it was my first visit to Yahoo news, it gave me the options on which kind of cookies/tracking I want to accept. Obviously I select "none". I shudder to think what would happen if I had selected "accept-all". Sorry for the rant - but I can see…

Looks good in reader mode.

Nice - I had to install an extension to add a reader mode in Brave:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reader-view/ecabif...

This extension apparently uses Mozilla's open-source Readability implantation.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by ch4s3 »

sillystuff wrote: post #102
ch4s3 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Starting with George Washington who lead an insurrection on behalf of rich slave owners (to protect slavery) This is absolutely ahistorical. None of the planners of the revolution ever documented this as a motivation. Some were even abolitionists. The British Slavery Abolition Act wasn't until 1833 anyway. On top of that, Dunmore's Proclamation which offered freedom to loyalist slaves was almost 8 months after the…

Here is a supporting source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/blac... Since you posted your comment suggesting the claim is false, I found this supporting your claim: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje... This one will have to wait to find more authoritative scholarly sources. But, I accept that it is controversial and possibly in question.

Are you serious? The fact checker and history professor from the politico article calls it an overstated claim.

> Both sets of inaccuracies worried me, but the Revolutionary War statement made me especially anxious.

A number of other prominent historians have leveled the same criticism.

I'm not making any general claims about the revolution, or the politics of the moment as they relate to the telling of American history. But I am saying that the claim that it was motivated by the desire to preserve slavery is unsupported. This is the mainstream historical opinion.

> This one will have to wait to find more authoritative scholarly sources. But, I accept that it is controversial and possibly in question

It isn't controversial, it's completely without evidence. There is not a shred of evidence is presented. The linked essay from the 1619 Project picks up with Jefferson in 1776, a year and a half after the war started.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by laurent92 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #90

I don't see how anybody could read this and then pretend that Assange has any chance of a fair trial in America. Not only were his communication constantly monitored for years, already a breach of client attorney privilege, the US considered flagrant assassination as a potential way to handle him. I've heard many people say that Assange committed actual crimes and it's time for him to face the consequences of those a…

Well, now that he’s been capture by the USA, we’ll soon know whether he committed anything thanks to his trial, right? Wait, has it been more than a year without trial already?
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