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Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by irishsultan »

endisneigh wrote: post #28
MrOrelliOReilly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume this is snark, but misguided if so. I believe the parent comment was simply stating there are some vaccines generally with this trait, so perhaps the covid vaccines would similarly improve from a 3rd dose

it was an honest question. what about it came across as snarky?

Expecting that we would be aware of vaccines that provide a decade long protection against a disease that has been around for less than 3 years. I mean we could have those vaccines already, but we couldn't possibly know that we have them until they've been around for a decade or more.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by nradov »

hackingforfun wrote: post #79
taxicabjesus wrote: post #56

The best way to prevent your own deterioration and death from COVID-19 is to demand your medical providers implement a science-based approach to your care. This means that you should not consent to your over-oxygenation with medical oxygen. Science figured out 200 years ago that oxygen is toxic. Doctors knew this, then the antidote got forgotten. Some modern doctors are still aware of the toxicity of oxygen, but use…

Yes, I was aware that oxygen is toxic at high pressure. One thing you don't mention, is that lack of oxygen, as with a serious COVID case, also causes death.

Pulmonary oxygen toxicity is a well known issue. Critical care providers have established guidelines for duration, concentration, and flow rate to limit toxic effects. There are also some medications to mitigate damage. In severe cases of respiratory distress sometimes a high level of supplementary oxygen is the only way to keep a patient alive.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by jquery »

bsksi wrote: post #84
lamontcg wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure they can point you at some educational youtube videos.

As opposed to us educated people who point at studies that months later mysteriously fail to replicate.

epistomological nihilism is not the way forward

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by logicalmonster »

Just 15 days to slow the spread.

Don't wear masks, only doctors can wear masks.

Don't shop at your local store you might get Covid, just go to Wal-mart (TM) and shop at Amazon (TM).

No just kidding, wear 2 masks.

Don't try any generic, low-cost alternative treatments, we can't get vaccines authorized if there's a treatment. Let's just stick you on a ventilator. Try not to look at the financial incentives and risks on that.

Ok finally, if you just take this vaccine we'll let you have your life back.

You need a vaccine passport to eat at restaurants.

Just kidding. Take this booster shot too.

(you are here)

Actually no wait, take the boosters every 6 months.

Who knows what dehumanization will come next? They're going to blame the unvaxxed for any problems with the vaxx, despite this never before being a thing in human history. Big Pharma is laughing all the way to the bank at our mass psychosis.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by bluedevil2k »

hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

> The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein

The mRNA produces a piece of the spike protein once inside the cell, it’s not the protein itself.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by titzer »

bsaul wrote: post #96
titzer wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try going out in public naked or running a few red lights and then come back and troll some more about your "rights". The world is full of rules to prevent you from being a jerk and endangering others.

rules preventing you from doing something is one thing, but injecting a new product some people still have doubts about (no matter if they're correct or not) is a very different matter. I'm amazed that people still come with the "safety belt" argument. We've had decades of increase protections about food additives, GMOs, hormones in animals, etc on the principle of precaution with everything related to health, becaus…

You gotta be joking, right? You realize the same people who are mouthing off about freedom believe in absolutely zero protections for consumers against food additives and are in a constant state of denial about environmental pollution that has drastically harmed human health and ecosystems right? They very same politicians hemming about freedoms and how vaccines are dangerous just give carte blanche to the marketplace to push whatever preservatives and addiction-inducing flavor molecules into foods are the most successful at jacking up the GDP. All the protections that you mentioned have been over the objections of the exact politicians that you no doubt support because they believe in "freedoms". Or whatever.

You gotta get the MMR vaccine to go to a public school. You gotta get Tetanus and other vaccines to go to college.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by hackingforfun »

graeme wrote: post #83
hackingforfun wrote: post #73

I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

> My understanding is that eventually it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies for it. This can’t be right. Antibodies fade: for other coronaviruses within 6-12 months. They aren’t a thing the body keeps around forever. Lasting immunity would be from memory T cells or memory T cells, if their long run response worked well and the virus didn’t change enough between infections.

Actually we didn't get into antibodies and memory T cells when talking with my friend. I don't have a PhD in this, so I can't say either way.

I mostly just wanted to pass on the information from her regarding the ingredients and how the mRNA only interacts with the cytoplasm of the cell, and not the actual DNA. That's the important part.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by [deleted] »

xattt wrote: post #8

I am fascinated to know what the effects are of over-vaccination. Is there some spillover effects where a highly-primed immune system begins to get into weird autoimmune reactions? Do weird plaques develop or a build-up of antibodies begin to form in random parts of the body, like in a blood dyscrasia? Or does nothing happen? Chronic vaccine overdoses are so exotic, as access to vaccines had been historically so tigh…

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by dehrmann »

bsaul wrote: post #72
cm2187 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[edit] this is in response to the earlier version of your post where you wonder if the virus will ever go away: That I think is a given. Even if we had a bullet proof vaccine, you have such a large reserve of unvaccinated people across the world, plus animals, that the virus is endemic at this stage. Which isn't a problem. If once vaccinated the virus is mostly harmless, then it is just one more of the many endemic d…

"If once vaccinated the virus is mostly harmless" Note that even not vaccinated, the ultra large majority of people either are asymptomatic or don't get anything worst than a flu (which doesn't mean covid = flu in general) We seem to have forgotten that the original concern with the virus was the fact that it saturated intensive care units in hospitals, and thus prevented people from getting proper care.

In places with high vaccination rates, to some extent, tracking new cases as positive test rates is fighting the last war.
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