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Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by nemo44x »

TameAntelope wrote: post #82
nemo44x wrote: post #26

It's a good thing everyone surrendered their firearms to this same government. Once they know you can't resist anything they can do anything to you. I'm guessing NZ is next now that they've confiscated nearly every firearm they could.

I've always found talking about firearms in response to a legislative body acting to be reactionary and shortsighted, but also a little humorous, in a sad kind of way. I wonder if you realize you're intimating, even obliquely, that you'd be willing to kill cops, soldiers, and democratically elected officials for performing their duties because you individually don't agree with their decisions. In other words, you're…

It’s not about shooting them but rather deterring them from totalitarian government. That our ruling bodies understand there are lines and boundaries.

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Post by aplummer »

systemvoltage wrote: post #91
eplanit wrote: post #68

There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.

Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…

The 5km thing is real while the lockdown is in effect. Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home.

Whether or not the ~20 000 lives saved from these lockdowns comes down to opinion in the end.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by bitreality »

artursapek wrote: post #43
jonny_eh wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or vote with your… vote. The relative benefit is that it can actually work, in theory at least.

You really think any of what's going on in Australia is the will of the people?

They have people voting over 3% tax increases and gay marriage, not surveillance. Doesn't matter who you vote for, every party is in favor of increasing their power.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by benbristow »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #23

Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…

> Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going.

Don't worry, they won't let you in anyway.

Won't even let their own people in (or out) at the minute.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by dalmo3 »

throwawayswede wrote: post #45
yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

TIL Fastmail is an Australian company. I wonder if this bill applies to data hosted outside of Australia for international clients by a company based in Australia? I'd really like to know what they have to say about this.

They don't seem to mention any special treatment for international clients: https://www.fastmail.com/help/ourservice/law-enforcement.htm...

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Post by morganvachon »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #81

I do have a question. 'Data disruption warrant: gives the police the ability to "disrupt data" by modifying, copying, adding, or deleting it.' What does it really mean? Can they now legally change what website says to me? Intercept and change what signal message says? I am genuinely trying to understand what functionality hides behind this broad language.

I'm not trying to answer your question as I don't know the full extent of this new law, but based purely on the article it's not hard to imagine the AU government can construct a case against a politically subversive but otherwise innocent person by planting illegal data/content on their cloud storage and social media accounts. The fact that they can do this with zero judicial oversight mean that it's not a question of "if" this will happen but "when".

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by worker767424 »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #85
asien wrote: post #54

Reminds me of anti-free speech laws that was almost passed in France. It was designed to help fight « hate speech ». It enable police to remove literally ANY content from the interne t as long as it was « hateful » of course there is no legal definition of hateful. I think similar laws have been passed in Belgium and Germany. I find it funny that has economic growth from the post war era is slowing down and climate c…

At least in France people will protest. Places like Australia, NZ and Canada have far too much trust in the government...

Regarding Australia's limits on protest during the Sydney covid lockdown, one official basically said "people can exercise their freedom of speech other ways, like writing a letter to the newpaper or sending an angry email" (paraphrased). I think he seriously thought these circular-filed complaints carry the same weight as a protesters in front of government buildings.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by vngzs »

morganvachon wrote: post #99
yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Agreed, which sucks because no other service out there is better at their prices. And I have everything important tied to that address. I have never been to Australia and don't ever plan to, but the fact that any government can legally plant data on my account and then try to prosecute me for it is scary as hell. Given that Australia and the US are part of the "Five Eyes", it's not a stretch to believe they can const…

Stop allowing email providers to control the domain of your email. Buy a $10/year domain and point it at GitHub pages (so it gains some trustworthiness). Send your email to that domain, and point the MX records at a mail provider (Fastmail or GMail or ProtonMail, doesn't matter).
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