Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by ms7m » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

pb7 wrote: post #18

criddell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are the major COVID-19 vaccines still under FDA emergency use authorization guidelines? What's preventing the FDA from dropping those special rules and treating the vaccine like every other vaccine?

Because full authorization takes time. The speed in rolling out emergency use vaccination was by the book. Speeding up full authorization would not be.

Emergency Authorization also allows for production of the vaccine to happen alongside testing [0]..

Compared to Approval -> Production. If they drop the emergency use, technically they would need to stop production of the vaccine..

[0] https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/w...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

Trasmatta wrote: post #67

The amount of thinly veiled (or actually outright blatant) anti-vax posts here on Hacker News is really disheartening.

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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by dukeofdoom » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

I would trust google to know about their monster.

"Google and the USAID-funded Wuhan scientist Peter Daszak’s virus experiments for over a decade"

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by 411111111111111 » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #56

giarc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.

Some vaccines take years or even decades to show harm. See Air Force pilots and Anthrax vaccine history. Rare but devastating consequences. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the covid vax. I got Pfizer myself as soon as it was available. But there is still room for doubt.

> The anthrax vaccines were receiving criticism in several scientific circles, because of both potency problems and allegations that the anthrax vaccine contributed to Gulf War syndrome.

That's the only excerpt I was able to find wrt that. Is there more?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by halfjoking » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

yurrzz wrote: post #84

halfjoking wrote: post #25

All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.

If you are living in the USA why not get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine?

This Medcram video explains how J&J vaccine works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qT7wLxkvU#t=1m30s

They splice DNA to put in a virus and the end result is exactly the same as the mRNA vaccines - custom spliced RNA code running in your cells.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by wffurr » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

rolobio wrote: post #79

I'm shocked so many people on HN support this. The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will…

Literally the first line of the article: “ Google announced Wednesday it would require all in-office workers and visitors to be vaccinated”

Maybe click on it and read it before flying off on the handle?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by roberttod » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

hereforphone wrote: post #30

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.

Just finished listening to a great podcast that touches on the safety and FDA emergency approval, see https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-... .

Some key points i) we have more data on these vaccines than any other in history ii) though we don't have long term data, there has never in the history of vaccines been side effects that wouldn't be detectable at this stage iii) the FDA is really dragging its feet and should have given approval by June, latest. Vaccine companies have submitted all the data for review a long time ago and previous FDA commissioners generally agree it's taking far too long. The current FDA commissioner said approval will take until January next year!

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by pb7 » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

lancemurdock wrote: post #75

pb7 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because full authorization takes time. The speed in rolling out emergency use vaccination was by the book. Speeding up full authorization would not be.

interesting precedent for the future. Whats an 'emergency'? Whats is the point of an FDA review at this point?

When the cost of not taking action (not vaccinating) exceeds the cost of taking action (vaccinating).

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by rolobio » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #90

rolobio wrote: post #79

I'm shocked so many people on HN support this. The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will…

> The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? When you're vaccinated, you receive a small official card with the vaccination details. In the United States, the vaccines are free. This has nothing to do with your general medical history or medica…

Well thanks for the downvote. But isn't that card part of your medical history? What if they need proof you are vaccinated against measles? After all, its a proven vaccine...

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by jakebasile » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

seanhunter wrote: post #77

jakebasile wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other characteristics is it ok to use to determine who can earn a living or not?

Employers decide that about literally all the characteristics in the hiring process and all the conditions of continued employment. You may don't think it's ok that they get to fire you if you violate the "acceptable use" conditions of their information security policy either, but that doesn't actually matter. Since abiding by the acceptable use terms is (almost always) a condition of continued employment they can an…

Literally all characteristics? I think there are some which are protected by law and generally considered not cool to discriminate on. I'm just asking which ones are ok to discriminate on since apparently submission to medical procedures is one of the good ones.

I wonder how people would feel if an employer required other medical treatments, or the inverse: if an employee had a medical procedure the employer doesn't like.

Also, I'd like to clarify that your comparing a company requiring a medical procedure to be performed on all employees bodies to an acceptable use policy telling employees not to use Facebook on their company machine, right?