Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tome » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

peder wrote: post #16

rootusrootus wrote: post #5

Where Google goes, I expect the rest of the tech companies (including companies that just fancy themselves as tech companies) to follow. This is that moment when everyone is reminded of "at will" employment.

Tech companies won't move in lockstep on this. Battle for talent is too intense, not many companies can call shots like this like Google can. Some companies will be glad to differentiate to try and attract Googlers that do not want to return to the office, that do not want to be vaccinated (tho I think the number of tech workers that are not vax'd is small)

> not many companies can call shots like this

Nice

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by aaomidi » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #78

aaomidi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when you fetishize corporatism and jail and silence people who have been critical of capitalism. Would people be up to seize the means of production now? Or would we still keep arguing that companies can do whatever they want?

If all of Google's intelligent employees were to rise up and seize control of the company today, they would enact the same office vaccination requirement that Sundar is announcing here.

Probably, but it would be a communal requirement rather than a top-down requirement.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by h_anna_h » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

incanus77 wrote: post #33

neither_color wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm vaccinated and I personally don't care if others choose not to do it.

You must not have, know, or care about any kids.

Why are people so obsessed with kids? Afaik, covid is generally much softer on them, older people tend to be in higher danger.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by yurrzz » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

halfjoking wrote: post #25

All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.

If you are living in the USA why not get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by giarc » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #68

giarc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been nearly 4 billion shots delivered across the world in the past 8 months. I suspect if they were to cause great harm, we would have known by now.

lol - there are plenty of things that only cause (attributable) harm after a long time.

You mean like severe cases of COVID? Admission to critical care or death from COVID?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by OgAstorga » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #39

So if an employee develops one of the rare adverse events, will Google be liable for damages?

I don’t think so. Everyone is free to leave if the don’t like the new policies. It’s not like there is a tight market for highly skilled software engineers

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tome » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

hereforphone wrote: post #72

I am saying this as someone who has both shots and generally supports the vaccination. From what I understand Google is known as a company with a "liberal" culture. Is demanding employees accept one side of an argument and adhere to it (or face the consequences) contrary to the definition of "liberal"? That's the problem with Western politics. Liberal vs. conservative is no longer about how permissive we are with ide…

In the US, "liberal" means left-leaning (compared to the US average).

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by pb7 » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

neither_color wrote: post #20

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I'm vaccinated and I personally don't care if others choose not to do it.

I care because despite being vaccinated and having had restrictions lifted, I am once again affected by them because of people that refuse to get vaccinated. If the consequences were siloed to unvaccinated people, I wouldn't care as that's their choice.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by benmw333 » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

Government forces you to pay for the vaccine and then forces the company you work for to take it or lose your job. Liberty is long gone in America. Nothing chaps my ass more than hearing and seeing the "vaccines are free" propaganda. Not to mention the billions government has spent in marketing and advertising on this vaccine. When was the last time government spent trillions to save 600,000 lives?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

rolobio wrote: post #79

I'm shocked so many people on HN support this. The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)? I'm sure many people will respond to this saying "they don't need to turn over their full medical history!" but once we turn over a part of it, they will…

> The only way I know to prove someone received a vaccine is for them to turn over their medical history. What if companies start refusing to hire someone because they have a bad medical history (insurance costs anyone)?

When you're vaccinated, you receive a small official card with the vaccination details. In the United States, the vaccines are free.

This has nothing to do with your general medical history or medical records.