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Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

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Post by Koiwai »

jopsen wrote: post #99
Koiwai wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency, look that up, they are not even trying to hide that. If, I mean If, China is evil, wouldn't that make any country not declaring war to China evil too?

> That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. Claiming that the Uyghur genocide is made up is just trolling. These things have been documented for years. And the Uyghur is not the only minority to be persecuted. Tell me who is the Dalai Lama working fo…

> Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps.

"Independent media"

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#102

Post by Koiwai »

jopsen wrote: post #100
Koiwai wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, US tried to use politics to ban Chinese 5G equipments, from recent news, I don't think that's going very well.

Not sure how that's relevant, 5G is an entirely different topic. The reason advanced chip factories are located in China is that they are expensive and Chinese authorities can't be trusted. Adding to that is that sending your chip designs to China, is a sure way to get them stolen. Lots of companies don't sell the latest tech in China. And don't manufacture in china because their designs would be stolen. This is not…

When it's not very well aligned to your argument, it suddenly becomes irrelevant, very convenient.

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#103

Post by Koiwai »

jopsen wrote: post #91
Koiwai wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that make WWIII his legacy?

Maybe, may be not, who is to say...? It's dangerous exactly because we don't know what will happen.

Yeah maybe he is a tyrant, let's condemn him for that.

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#104

Post by brazzy »

Koiwai wrote: post #98
brazzy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's interest in Taiwan has nothing to do with economy. The CCP and Xi in particular have turned "reunification" into a matter of national and personal pride. More substantially, they see Taiwanese independance as a threat because it could serve as an example to independance movements in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and probably a few more.

Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? I thought we learnt that after two WWs. You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.

> I won't agree to that quotation mark.

An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification.

> And what's wrong with national pride?

It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to do self-destructive things to avoid losing face.

> And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride?

"We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that.

> You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.

Then why all the fuss about Taiwan?

A truly great nation could say "look, how about you strike down that silly idea about retaking the mainland, give back our national treasures, and in return we'll reconize you as an independant country?"

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#105

Post by Koiwai »

brazzy wrote: post #104
Koiwai wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? I thought we learnt that after two WWs. You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.

> I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to d…

> And if it involves the military

That's your speculation, are we at war now?

What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China.

By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him".

> "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that.

Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#106

Post by brazzy »

Koiwai wrote: post #105
brazzy wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to d…

> And if it involves the military That's your speculation, are we at war now? What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". > "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.

> That's your speculation, are we at war now?

A conditional statement is not speculation. Also:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/largest-chines...

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210105-taiwan-says-c...

https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-buildup-atti...

> What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China.

Status quo is that it's not part of China, and hasn't been for well over 100 years. This doesn't hurt China in any way. So why not simply accept that status quo?

> By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him".

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

> Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.

Quite exactly the opposite.

But I guess you've just arrived at the point where you can't argue your position in good faith anymore.

Re: TSMC’s dominance poses risks to the global economy

#107

Post by [deleted] »

Koiwai wrote: post #101
jopsen wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's another political campaign, run by a Washington based agency Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. Claiming that the Uyghur genocide is made up is just trolling. These things have been documented for years. And the Uyghur is not the only minority to be persecuted. Tell me who is the Dalai Lama working fo…

> Independent media across the globe and across political spectrums have reported that China has locked away >= 1M people in concentration camps. "Independent media"

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