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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by lookdangerous »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #20
nsxwolf wrote: post #5

Be anonymous. Be obscure. Stop talking to people on the internet.

Alternatively, don't be a sexual predator that assumes it will never lead to any consequences later in life.

Should everyone who has ever behaved inappropriately in that area lose their employment when their behavior comes to light? Does it matter if they've since stopped behaving like that? Where do you draw the line? Should they be excluded from productive society altogether if one instance of misbehavior can be found, at any time in the past? Is that best?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by Imnimo »

>I understand why the companies fired me and don’t blame them. Nobody wants to invite a shitstorm.

I don't think this is why, or at least all of why. If I'm Wizards, and I'm promoting your art, organizing conventions and events with you as a guest, etc., I would feel some amount of moral responsibility for predatory behavior that enables. I would want my game and my community to be safe for women, and I think it would be hard to say that was the case if I were still working with someone who had been predatory. Especially because it was exactly the success of working with big-name clients like Wizards that had enabled that predatory behavior. I don't think I'd be entirely satisfied with "I used to be a predator but I'm not anymore".

I do love a lot of your artwork, but summarizing the reason Wizards stopped working with you as "Nobody wants to invite a shitstorm." is not the sort of statement that makes me want to see you return to the Magic community.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by shadowgovt »

legitster wrote: post #65

Honestly, the biggest mistake people make is issuing public apologies. So far, we have very few examples of them actually working. On the contrary, any amount of admission seems to show weakness. The "controversy" around Lin-Manuel Miranda seems to have come nearly entirely from his apology to a very small group of disappointed fans. There are even more examples of very publicly terrible people who have skirted worse…

I have yet to see a well-defined playbook for mitigating the Twitter Eye Of Sauron turning on a person that has a better success record than chance. Different things have worked for different individuals (including issuing a public apology, see https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/influencer-apologies-2020-sh... for a collection of them and the result).

It may be the case that cancellations are too circumstance-specific to say what works and what doesn't.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by msie »

throwaway34017 wrote: post #56

I recently gave a test lecture about a topic in statistics, where I showed a meme that a statistics professor I follow shared on her Twitter feed [1]. I thought it would be safe to include as it didn't get any negative reactions on Twitter and was already being used by a professor in her university class in the US. After the talk I immediately got called out by the women's representative on the hiring commission, who…

Using memes in a lecture is risky, but was the women's representative herself outraged or outraged on behalf of the students?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by lovecg »

ThaDood wrote: post #79
lovecg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand the rule of “if you’ve ever been a dick in the past, your life and career should be destroyed proportionality be damned” seems like a societal failure.

I agree, I'm not saying you should have your entire life uprooted because you said something stupid on Twitter when you were like 13. The situation in this case is a little different. Again, don't be a dick or try to avoid it when possible and I don't think you will have to worry about being canceled.

What do you think about cases like this one? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mount-allison-s...

An immigrant _tenured_ professor in Canada got suspended for saying that Canada is not racist on her blog. Was she being a dick? Does she deserve the “consequences”?

At what point do we stop saying “oh these are isolated incidents and not a trend”?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by [deleted] »

shadeslayer_ wrote: post #6

I'm a bit sceptical about this because it talks very little about what happened that caused OP to get "cancelled", and an awful lot about how they came back from it. I do understand, first-hand, the trauma that comes from being cancelled (although I have like 1500 followers on Twitter so you could argue the stakes are less) and there's no doubt that it is a bitch. But there is something to take away from it - or at l…

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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by EvilEy3 »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #69
yummybear wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you suggest you do when you have been behaving incorrectly? You can’t change the past.

That's an odd strawman. I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment.

>> I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment.

> I wouldn't be poor in the first place!

> I wouldn't be sick in the first place!

> I wouldn't be in their shoes in the first place!

What an argument.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by LegitShady »

fration wrote: post #58

You did not get cancelled for questionable comments online, or wrongthink, or whatever. You got burned for being a sexual predator. Stop making posts about it online, stop downplaying what you did by saying "I was a different person". Learn to live with the consequences of your actions.

define sexual predator

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by judofyr »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #42
theossuary wrote: post #4

Twitter is vile. I thought that the day the company started, and never created an account; nothing good can come from a platform like Twitter. It's a failure of our laws that there's no recourse to this kind of libel, either against Twitter for basing their business model on it, or the individuals responsible for spreading it. Lives are consistently destroyed and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes "aw-shuc…

Even for as creepy as Kevin Spacey is/was, all accounts of his cancelling are tossed out in court for lack of evidence, or pending his own lawsuits against these people. Netflix really did him dirty throwing him under the bus like they did as have many companies/schools/organizations simply on hearsay alone. It reminds me a lot of the movie Jagten with Mads Mickelson. A whole community despises you and vehemently wan…

> Netflix really did him dirty throwing him under the bus like they did as have many companies/schools/organizations simply on hearsay alone.

Ehm... https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/media/house-of-cards-kevin-.... There were eight people working on the "House of Cards" who alleged/confirmed he was predatory. There is of course still a chance that it's one big witch hunt, but this is definitely not a case of 100 Twitter random users making a lot of noise.

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