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Re: Little League wants all your information

#101

Post by alisonkisk »

dragonwriter wrote: post #76
yTh0rly wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious since you actually went through the effort to be a part of the org: why do we need to formalize everything? Why not just get kids together to play baseball? Why capital Little capital League? Why do we have to normalize towards an organizational system? Academically it all makes sense; our scientific truth must be rigorously vetted. This all just feels like busy work for no gain for most people. I really…

> Why not just get kids together to play baseball? You can, if everyone trusts everyone involved, and you just want some casual fun. But beyond that... Some of the developmental/training issues have been mentioned, as well as some allusion to safety. Also related is liability; do it enough and there are going to be injuries, some of them serious. And if you haven't planned for this, it's quite easy for someone to une…

That's a very US perspective. In nations with socialized health care, there's no liability to worry about.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#102

Post by alisonkisk »

throwawayboise wrote: post #48
pridkett wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s referring to strict background checks for the volunteers.

Yes thanks to Larry Nassir and Jerry Sandusky every volunteer parent on every youth sports club is seen as a potential pedophile. Mandatory background checks, mandatory training on bullying, harassment, hazing, physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and sexual misconduct is now required. It has really made it much more difficult for leagues to get volunteers because though many parents want to help, most don'…

Pedophilia isn't the problem. Molestation is.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#103

Post by alisonkisk »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #89
GeneralMayhem wrote: post #61

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For baseball, you'd have to do a whole lot more than that. Most top baseball prospects don't go to college at all - they get signed straight out of high school. Kids are getting signed for millions of dollars at age 17 or 18, and baseball is more a skill than a sport. The stakes are ridiculously high: it's a life-changing amount of money, there are only a few spots available (compared to the number of kids who play b…

It used to be considered acceptable to find young boys with good voices and castrate them so their voices would never change. At some point, society decided that we weren't going to do that any more, even though it meant that the "castrato" parts in operas could no longer be properly sung (there was near-universal agreement that the purity and power of a castrato's voice could not be matched by anything else). Now, w…

Baseball players aren't socially impoverished.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#104

Post by testfoobar »

Spooky23 wrote: post #13
kstrauser wrote: post #2

Oh hey, Hacker News! This is my post. I’m not strictly allergic to proving that I live in a certain place, so long as the evidence is securely deleted afterward. I’m very opposed to the idea that they can share all of those records with any of their partners or sponsors as they see fit. For example, “proof of residency 3” includes financial or medical records. Suppose that Large Corporation donates $1,000 to Little L…

I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it’s not obvious until you get into it. I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty strict background check requirements, and those providers were the “trusted partners” that were given sensitive information. Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New York, so the government g…

I never give out birth certificates for my kids. Birth certificates are foundational documents for identity theft with a lot of personal information organized on one page.

I don't want my kids birth certs sitting on some random server.

Instead when necessary I use copies of their passports or school documents.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#105

Post by alisonkisk »

thih9 wrote: post #24
throwawaygulf wrote: post #4

I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few miles away in the same city, change a few numbers of my SSN, etc. Same goes for utility bills, financial records, etc. Fuck the data miners. The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone. The address is still one in my city. They never do any actual verification so it always wor…

> I'm just starting to forge documents (...) The isn't even criminal to do because I'm not defrauding anyone Some might see sending forged documents as fraud; you'd intentionally deceive an organisation for personal gain, i.e. more privacy. (TINLA) Just to be clear, I also want more privacy; at the same time I'd prefer a different approach, e.g. shaming plus boycotting.

That's not what fraud means. If that were fraud, then any lie to anyone would be fraud.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#106

Post by dragonwriter »

alisonkisk wrote: post #101
dragonwriter wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not just get kids together to play baseball? You can, if everyone trusts everyone involved, and you just want some casual fun. But beyond that... Some of the developmental/training issues have been mentioned, as well as some allusion to safety. Also related is liability; do it enough and there are going to be injuries, some of them serious. And if you haven't planned for this, it's quite easy for someone to une…

That's a very US perspective. In nations with socialized health care, there's no liability to worry about.

Little League is a very US institution, but even in places with socialized healthcare there are non-medical costs of injuries and potential liability attached to them, and anyway, while universal coverage is common outside of the US, many nations acheive it without socialized medicine.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#107

Post by adjkant »

kstrauser wrote: post #25
adjkant wrote: post #15

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I'm reminded of the scene in The Politician where they aren't letting a high school student vote for student body president because she doesn't have her school ID on her by saying "if we let anyone vote, they would just bus in kids from other schools". Feels like about the same level of importance. I suppose you could theoretically have all the best players apply for the league in one area to try and game the system…

I think the real problem comes when one area has a better run organization than neighboring areas. Then parents from the neighboring areas flood the registration and local kids end up getting cut from the team. That's the sort of thing I think Little League's trying to prevent.

Are that many parents really going to have a strong enough preference between league options to forge a document? The 3 different residency proofs seems a bit wild, though I guess based on some other comments here, perhaps needed lol

Re: Little League wants all your information

#108

Post by [deleted] »

kstrauser wrote: post #27
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

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Like any serious hobby, people are people and do stupid shit. You know how nerds kill each other about systemd, vi vs emacs, C vs Rust? Crazy parents will pull together a group of 11 year olds from 30 miles away to beat your 8/9 year old to get into a tournament.

I've been involved in various baseball and softball leagues in two different states, and I 100% vouch for every word of the above. Anyone who's been involved with little kid sports knows this is utterly plausible and not even slightly exaggerated.

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Re: Little League wants all your information

#109

Post by kstrauser »

water8 wrote: post #99
kstrauser wrote: post #30

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More practically, if you get caught then your kid probably gets banned from the league. This might be pretty hard to explain to a younger child in terms that would make them appreciate that you're doing it for the right reasons.

Do you think little league has the investigative powers of the FBI or something?

This can and does come up when, say, you have a team for 10 year olds and one of the kids looks like they drove themselves to practice. A coach can challenge the other team’s paperwork, in which case the challenged coach digs it out and everyone looks at the evidence. If it seems to be faked and the umpire agrees, the cheating team forfeits, and the kid’s parents (and possibly the coach if they were in on it) can be banned.

No, Little League doesn’t do a top secret clearance check on every player. Individual players may be checked if it’s believed they’re cheating though.

Re: Little League wants all your information

#110

Post by jacobr1 »

alisonkisk wrote: post #101
dragonwriter wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not just get kids together to play baseball? You can, if everyone trusts everyone involved, and you just want some casual fun. But beyond that... Some of the developmental/training issues have been mentioned, as well as some allusion to safety. Also related is liability; do it enough and there are going to be injuries, some of them serious. And if you haven't planned for this, it's quite easy for someone to une…

That's a very US perspective. In nations with socialized health care, there's no liability to worry about.

I'm pretty sure non-pecuniary damages are ground for civil cases in plenty of non-US jurisdictions.
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