Earlier quoted context omitted.
Griddy didn't have to beat the bricks like most REP's in Texas. Smart consumers aware of the risk beat a path to their door. Unfortunately, as with anything like this, the followers and fools soon showed up (reminiscent of $GME) and a good thing somehow suddenly became "a scam".
Nice victim blaming.
On power markets, snow storms, and $16k power bills
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#102>Those that chose Griddy, chose higher risk, which comes with high potential rewards but also high potential losses When I lived in the poor part of town, "energy deregulation" companies were always coming around, aggressively trying to get me to sign up on the spot. They never talked about risk, they just told me I could sign here to save $100s on my power bill. I asked them about the details and they just lied thro…
I am a high-income New Yorker. If this were available to me, and if I could (a) set a cap past which I lose power or, preferably, (b) hedge by buying power call options, I’d take it. (Depending on the cost of (b).)
That said, it’s a complicated financial product. We don’t sell derivatives, structured products and alternative assets to the poor. (Robinhood et al aside.) Power shouldn’t be an exception.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no fundamental technical reason. It costs money to install the smart meters. It would cost more money to install control systems and automatic transfer switches, but even the smallest generator-backed (or multi-feed) datacenter has all the equipment technically needed to implement what you describe. Many large UPS units have everything as well. It's probably an additional $3-6K on top of the smart meter to bu…
Every second appliance has Wifi nowadays - but we need an industry standard that allows consumers to control usage based on price, perhaps by assigning specific appliances in your house to your energy retailer web account, and then allowing the retailer/grid operator to control when they are turned off and on (or to adjust their energy intensity) in return for a monthly discount. For example just by heating and cooli…
These guys used to do this in NYC.... would let ConEd turn off your AC in the middle of the summer
(Under the hood it's an IOT zigbee hub)
Re: On power markets, snow storms, and $16k power bills
#104>Those that chose Griddy, chose higher risk, which comes with high potential rewards but also high potential losses When I lived in the poor part of town, "energy deregulation" companies were always coming around, aggressively trying to get me to sign up on the spot. They never talked about risk, they just told me I could sign here to save $100s on my power bill. I asked them about the details and they just lied thro…
Griddy didn't have to beat the bricks like most REP's in Texas. Smart consumers aware of the risk beat a path to their door. Unfortunately, as with anything like this, the followers and fools soon showed up (reminiscent of $GME) and a good thing somehow suddenly became "a scam".
Out of morbid curiosity, during a long drive this weekend, I listened to 20 minutes of an AM radio guy's pitch for some retirement annuity system that sounded quite sweet at first. As he kept talking, though, I realized that he was being very evasive about what happens if you die early. Connecting the dots - he keeps all your assets. No survivor benefits at all.
I used to do financial investigative reporting. I was looking for the catch. And it nearly glided past me. Ditto for disclosing the full details about the maximum caps on your electricity charges.
These promoters are masters at smooth, low-candor discussions of risk. They're what make the pendulum keep swinging back and forth between deregulation and re-regulation.
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But most electricity retailers just set a fixed price for electricity completely disconnected from the actual costs. I'm specifically wondering if it's possible to allow for wholesale purchasing, but set a cap at something like $10 or $100/kwhr - still crazy high, but keeping obscene rates away. Maybe let the customer choose what level of cap they want.
Why would anyone agree to sell you power at cost, unless the cost goes too high, and then sell it below cost?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
But most electricity retailers just set a fixed price for electricity completely disconnected from the actual costs. I'm specifically wondering if it's possible to allow for wholesale purchasing, but set a cap at something like $10 or $100/kwhr - still crazy high, but keeping obscene rates away. Maybe let the customer choose what level of cap they want.
Why would anyone agree to sell you power at cost, unless the cost goes too high, and then sell it below cost?
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand that -- but it seems like the main point of the article is: > I believe we ultimately need some degree of real time price exposure for consumers if we are to induce these kinds of widespread energy efficiency investments, because it can and does encourage significant reductions in individual electricity consumption during times of peak grid demand, which is good for the grid and good for the planet. And…
This is an important point, because the author of the post is essentially trying to argue that letting Texans either freeze to death or be price gouged is somehow necessary to fight climate change. Regulations would have solved this. Why does the word "regulation" only appear in this article once? Make winterization standards a requirement of participating in the market.
1) Variable rate plans based on wholesale market resulting in customers getting massive electricity bills during the wholesale market price spike.
2) Due to lack of regulation, little to no spending on winterization of generating capacity, with the purpose of ensuring lower prices for consumers and higher margins for generators. Both of those objectives were accomplished by the system, but the tail risk/cost management was not, and therefore it was effectively socialized.
If the tail risk (at least the risks we can see) were addressed through regulation (the only way to do so), prices would rise for all plan types to pay for the winterization, irrespective of whether they are variable or flat rate.
That regulation and associated price rise has been up to the moment unpalatable to Texas voters.
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Companies that do just in time in fact are careful to manage their supply chain for this. I know my company orders steel 3-6 months in advance, in part because this eventually reaches all the way back to the miners digging the ore. They now can plan their work to ensure they don't have to pay overtime to meet our orders (compare to when we figured out the best price of the year and ordered a 1 year supply for deliver…
I wonder what the insurance payouts are like for power companies that let people freeze to death? Probably nothing because they'll claim they weren't to blame.
From: https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/utility_and_heating...
> Texas - State law requires that utility and gas companies are required to offer a deferred payment plan to families and individuals in the state. No disconnect can occur if customer agrees and adheres to payment plan for past utility or heating bills. No shut off is allowed if temperature is to go below 32 degrees, or in extreme heat. Also disconnection will be delayed if detrimental to the health of a state resident, but the customer must have physician certification to get this plan.
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#110>Those that chose Griddy, chose higher risk, which comes with high potential rewards but also high potential losses When I lived in the poor part of town, "energy deregulation" companies were always coming around, aggressively trying to get me to sign up on the spot. They never talked about risk, they just told me I could sign here to save $100s on my power bill. I asked them about the details and they just lied thro…
This is shockingly myopic.