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Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by ssully »

holistio wrote: post #59

I live in Europe, in a country where black population is statistically insignificant, I only see black people about once every fortnight, and I live in a city of close to 2 million people. A lot of my acquaintances and friends have practically zero exposure to what caused the BLM movement and during last summer there was a significant number of people posting stuff along the lines of "all lives matter". To illustrate…

Well I will say if we were friends on Facebook and I saw that post come up in my feed, I would have just removed you as a friend. Even with context, I don't see how that can be interpreted as anything but shitty.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by zo1 »

somehnrdr14726 wrote: post #63
keiferski wrote: post #12

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

One difference is that Twitter, Facebook, Google, are not governments and have no real authority over you. They only have the power you give them by choosing to stay in their ecosystem. Therefore it's a strain to refer to them as officials. If you're worried about them _becoming_ officials, then act now. Leave these platforms and convince others to do the same.

Yes - but until such a time as we have a healthy ecosystem and interoperability, they are a defacto monopoly and I would assume the "anti-monopoly" people would just do something about it, if only to promote an ecosystem. Instead we live in this weird limbo where we can't criticize these platforms because "it's a private company" whilst still using it as if it's a government/society-level ubiquitous platform.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by mensetmanusman »

codetrotter wrote: post #4

I think being allowed to die on your own terms is a right that every human should have. And I think assisted suicide is a good thing. But I don’t understand why Twitter would block the Bishop for saying what he said. And the reason they gave, that it “promotes self harm”.. that’s straight up Kafkaesque.

Assume you are right, the way it is being implemented is by threatening doctors to pull the trigger. Humans are too stupid to implement this without horrifying consequences.

In the Netherlands a ‘hilarious’ scene occurred when a doctor showed up and killed a patient who was screaming not wanting to die in front of their family. Apparently the patient was not in a mental state to decide not to die after previously being in the state wanting to. Ha

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by jowsie »

Chris2048 wrote: post #15
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the screenshot shows an appeal took place and their team looked at it and upheld it. on edit: basically whoever read it probably did not have the English language skills to realize it was against Euthanasia, as the phrasing was more complicated than needed to make that point.

If your job is to read English text, and decide if it's semantics match banned semantics; Then maybe a good grasp of English is a job requirement - I'd say ignorance is no excuse (for the hiring employer).

Good native English speakers are pretty expensive.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by DanBC »

sjwalter wrote: post #77
jkingsbery wrote: post #64

It's a half-joke in Catholic media circles that making comments like this is likely to receive some kind of punishment on social media... I say "half-joke" because it happens extremely frequently and those writers in that world all know it happens and try to laugh about it. As someone in the tech world, I spend most of my time interacting with more "liberal" people. I don't hear about this happening with any frequenc…

It's not left/right any more, it's "people who want to control others" vs. "people who want to be left the fuck alone".

So, abortions for anyone who wants one, right? Birth control for anyone who needs it? Trans people allowed to participate in sports?

Stop pretending the right has no interest in controlling people's lives.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by op03 »

jkingsbery wrote: post #64

It's a half-joke in Catholic media circles that making comments like this is likely to receive some kind of punishment on social media... I say "half-joke" because it happens extremely frequently and those writers in that world all know it happens and try to laugh about it. As someone in the tech world, I spend most of my time interacting with more "liberal" people. I don't hear about this happening with any frequenc…

Debates are all fine.

What has changed is Debates + Algo amplification of one side or the other - using pseudo signals like the Like Count or Follower Count.

That changes the story. Its not a debate anymore. Its a mindless game of count accumulation. Given enough time and energy you can find enough misguided people in the world to validate whatever you believe.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by mensetmanusman »

christophilus wrote: post #100
franciscop wrote: post #17

> And even if euthanasia is just that – and Twitter is very proud to toot its horn as the sensitive and sensible, woke platform that clamps down on promotion and encouragement of self-harm, including its ultimate form, suicide – the tweet, even though it opposed it, got banned. This is such an interesting topic, because while euthanasia can be considered a way of suicide, advocating against it can also be considered…

> advocating against it can also be considered advocating for suicide In the same way that advocating against guns can be considered advocating for switchblades.

Advocating for euthanasia is advocating for the government to force doctors to take someone’s life even against the doctor’s will. It’s an interesting form of violence.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by [deleted] »

DanBC wrote: post #105
sjwalter wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not left/right any more, it's "people who want to control others" vs. "people who want to be left the fuck alone".

So, abortions for anyone who wants one, right? Birth control for anyone who needs it? Trans people allowed to participate in sports? Stop pretending the right has no interest in controlling people's lives.

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Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by [deleted] »

jkingsbery wrote: post #64

It's a half-joke in Catholic media circles that making comments like this is likely to receive some kind of punishment on social media... I say "half-joke" because it happens extremely frequently and those writers in that world all know it happens and try to laugh about it. As someone in the tech world, I spend most of my time interacting with more "liberal" people. I don't hear about this happening with any frequenc…

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Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Post by _qulr »

onion2k wrote: post #95
keiferski wrote: post #12

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The problem is very simple. Unless social media companies either stop moderating content, which will kill their profits because advertisers will run away, or pay people to moderate everything, which will kill their profit because it'd be wildly expensive, they'll continue to do the half-assed version of moderating they do now…

> So long as companies deal with errors reasonably it's all good.

We all eagerly await this utopia.

Or maybe expecting that is silly, given the many years of empirical evidence?

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