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Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Euthanasia is not self-harm, quite the contrary.

It is suicide, though, and therefore seems to be against the rules as they're stated

It could be argued that performing a surgical procedure is harm - after all it destroys various tissues using a knife. But there’s a difference, and it’s the same difference as between euthanasia and suicide.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

Automatic flagging just means their algorithm is crap. Which is bad, but it's a fixable technical problem in the medium term and the post can be restored in the short term. If this were deliberate flagging it would mean they were way outside of any reasonable interpretations of their guidelines and users really could no longer post anything and be confident it wouldn't run afoul of those interpretations. This is much…

The technical problem isn't fixable without AGI.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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post #60

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Systematic bad moderation can be tantamount to wokeness / cancel culture, especially if its manifestation in practice exhibits biases in the expected fashion. This is actually a major problem with arguments that try to dismiss the need to have ideological diversity in these institutions - cancel culture can arise from genuine good faith moderation if those moderators also happen to just have extremely biased ideologi…

> Systematic bad moderation can be tantamount to wokeness / cancel culture Maybe, but this is a bad example of it. Flagging posts that encourage suicide isn't a left vs. right issue... it seems pretty bipartisan to me. The fact that the AI made a mistake on a single example here isn't even indicative of bad AI... this could happen (and did happen in this case on appeal) with human moderators too.

Yeah, I do agree that in this instance you're probably correct. That said, it also isn't clear to me what in the tweet is easily mistaken for advocating self-harm - obviously keywords like "dying", "assisted suicide" and "failure" are probably playing a part but are not jointly sufficient. It could be that there's additional contextual information that could be seen as ideologically-valenced and that contributed to this moderation action, but we'll never really know.

For example, maybe the tweet caused a lot of harsh backlash for ideological reasons and that makes it more likely for Twitter to action a post for any reason, and the model is just making a softmax prediction of what that reason is. That's something that we should find discomforting.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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post #65

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I think the argument that private business is going to be the death of free speech is a strawman argument of the right. Typically this demographic goes out of its way to ensure a healthy free market with little obstructions. However they seem to lack the technical experience to launch a (successful and secure) competing social network of their own. So instead of achieving technological parity and becoming valid compe…

>Typically this demographic goes out of its way to ensure a healthy free market with little obstructions. You are kidding right ? Private businesses goes out of their way to obstruct the market. Google being exemplary proof of this.

How does AWS caving to social pressure to fuck over Parler fit your narrative?

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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post #31

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Funnily enough, Das Schloss is often interpreted to be a criticism of the church and organized religion in general. The castle and its workings are seen to be like the clerical teachings, arbitrary, incomprehensible and illogical, but nonetheless highly respected by the plebs.

How does the specific institution being ridiculed matter at all? Whether it's the Catholic church, Youtube or the DMV the point is it's a black box of procedural spaghetti that too often produces insane results and is seemingly unaccountable.

It doesn't really matter, but it is a funny coincidence that a cleric, as a representative of one kafkaesque institution is being censored by Twitter, another kafkaesque institution.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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I live in Europe, in a country where black population is statistically insignificant, I only see black people about once every fortnight, and I live in a city of close to 2 million people. A lot of my acquaintances and friends have practically zero exposure to what caused the BLM movement and during last summer there was a significant number of people posting stuff along the lines of "all lives matter". To illustrate…

So you posted an Alt-Right and a Nazi slogan on Facebook without context and wonder why Facebook didn't like it? How should anyone know that you were being sarcastic?

I would understand your confusion if you had made a long joke or written a sarcastic story, but posting Nazi slogans without changing or doing anything to them is not really humorous (to me).

To the public, there's no difference between you posting these slogans, and an actual Neo-Nazi doing the same thing.

Maybe I just don't understand the point you're trying to make.

I do understand what you mean by people posting slogans they don't understand. In that case I'd still put the blame on the people. If people just happily post slogans without researching what they mean, then that's not BLMs or Facebooks fault.

Both situations are a bit unfortunate, but I think we have talked enough about what "Black Lives Matter" means, to the point where it's a quick google search away.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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It's a half-joke in Catholic media circles that making comments like this is likely to receive some kind of punishment on social media... I say "half-joke" because it happens extremely frequently and those writers in that world all know it happens and try to laugh about it. As someone in the tech world, I spend most of my time interacting with more "liberal" people. I don't hear about this happening with any frequenc…

It's not left/right any more, it's "people who want to control others" vs. "people who want to be left the fuck alone".

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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post #34

Kevin Doran has some serious hang ups with gay people. Surprised he was never banned on that account by Twitter. He's quite the controversial Catholic figure even in Ireland.

Why are people surprised or annoyed at catholics being catholics tho, he is controversial among pozzed circles but he seems to be a Catholic being a catholic and that is it.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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post #68

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>Typically this demographic goes out of its way to ensure a healthy free market with little obstructions. You are kidding right ? Private businesses goes out of their way to obstruct the market. Google being exemplary proof of this.

How does AWS caving to social pressure to fuck over Parler fit your narrative?

If parler knew what the were up against they would have had on prem infra. Parler did not have technological parity with Facebook.

It's embarrassing to say you're going to beat Facebook at their own game and then create a business model that's unsustainable from the very beginning.

Re: Twitter locks out Irish Bishop after he criticized euthanasia

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Why does it matter if the flagging is automatic? Does that somehow make it more acceptable? The popularity of this view makes me wish more people read Kafka. A future tyranny might end up not being Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, but a kafkesque nightmare where people are lost in a world of AI giving out absurd punishments. [1] Kafka's book The Castle [2] is essentially about this, although I think his aph…

Automatic flagging just means their algorithm is crap. Which is bad, but it's a fixable technical problem in the medium term and the post can be restored in the short term. If this were deliberate flagging it would mean they were way outside of any reasonable interpretations of their guidelines and users really could no longer post anything and be confident it wouldn't run afoul of those interpretations. This is much…

The vagueness and ambiguity are features, not bugs -- it permits arbitrary punishment. Personally I'd rather they skip the appearance of reasoned arguments and go straight to "Twitter does not approve of this message."

No muss, no fuss.

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