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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by floor2 »

baybal2 wrote: post #53
oefrha wrote: post #34

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The question I always ask when people suggest warfare, especially an invasion: will you personally fight in it?

The predominant part of HN demographic are young military age men. In case of any real conflict US will get dragged in, you will all be drafted, want you or not. Becoming a soldier after being a freewheeling young man with 6 digit income, and effectively loosing everything you put into your career, business, education, relationship with your woman is not a pleasant thing. But think, sooner or later US will be dragged…

The word you're looking for is "Lose" not "Loose".

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by sandworm101 »

adventured wrote: post #92
tomp wrote: post #85

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> All of this could've been avoided under different leadership. What do you mean? The war in Iraq has outlasted 3 US presidents, so clearly "different leadership" just doesn't work in practice. IMO the US should completely change the modus operandi. "Invade & install new regime & call it democratic & steal oil" just isn't a good proposition for the local population. Unless the US can improve the proposition (to match…

What oil did the US steal from Iraq? I've been asking that question for about 15 years now, when people casually toss such empty claims out there. I've never once received a facts-based answer (for obvious reasons). Iraq was about Russia, not oil. The same thing Syria and Libya are about. Trying to limit or strip Russian influence out of the Middle East. It's two major powers going at eachother via proxy, the same th…

>> Iraq was about Russia, not oil

Not Russia, Iran. Iraq was/is a proxy war between Iran and the Saudis. Russia and America are distant twice-removed cousins to a longstanding family dispute.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by DaedPsyker »

VLM wrote: post #56
echelon wrote: post #16

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So now China's game plan is to topple democracies? What's next, and how far will this go?

Functioning democracies don't mysteriously have one party obtain 95%+ of the votes in every election. Single party rule is naturally ineffective. So when Americans try it in Flint MI and as a result of stellar leadership the water is undrinkable, send in the National Guard to fix things and its rah rah america F yeah stars and stripes forever. But when foreigner militaries have to "reset" things after a decade of sin…

Oh yea for sure, it's all just propaganda, nothing to do historical precedents that made us weary of leaders with nothing to challenge their power.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by sambull »

adventured wrote: post #92
tomp wrote: post #85

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> All of this could've been avoided under different leadership. What do you mean? The war in Iraq has outlasted 3 US presidents, so clearly "different leadership" just doesn't work in practice. IMO the US should completely change the modus operandi. "Invade & install new regime & call it democratic & steal oil" just isn't a good proposition for the local population. Unless the US can improve the proposition (to match…

What oil did the US steal from Iraq? I've been asking that question for about 15 years now, when people casually toss such empty claims out there. I've never once received a facts-based answer (for obvious reasons). Iraq was about Russia, not oil. The same thing Syria and Libya are about. Trying to limit or strip Russian influence out of the Middle East. It's two major powers going at eachother via proxy, the same th…

It was called production sharing, but ExxonMobil and Chevron from via the KRG.

Seems very similar to the bull billing the china shop owner.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by leesalminen »

enriquto wrote: post #74
leesalminen wrote: post #62

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In Chile, there has been a growing anti-China sentiment over the past several years as they began dominating the retail sector, pushing out many locals’ jobs.

As opposed to the USA for, you know, actually staging a military coup in there?

Yes, absolutely. I’m an American who lived in Chile. In that time I received animosity from exactly 2 people.

The current rhetoric against China is much more prevalent, perhaps 40% of people.

I think it has to do with the fact that the USA issues were 2 generations ago while the China issues are happening now.

Also, most people understand that the decisions made by ones’ government are not controlled by the people. People don’t have any control over what their politicians do. This is a globally understood truth.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by jacquesm »

samus wrote: post #69
jacquesm wrote: post #52

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Ah, but the Panama intervention was all about American economic interests, and the Grenada one was about saving American lives. What economic or other interests does the USA currently have in Myanmar?

Limiting Chinese influence could be a goal by itself. Of course, boots on the ground would mean risking a Chinese intervention as well, like it happened during the Korean War. Different to that one and Vietnam though is, in Myanmar there is no comparable status quo ante belli. It is not at all clear whether the West has any support or some sort of stake in Myanmar. It would be like Irak all over again.

That would be exactly like Vietnam though (and like Korea too), the USA has no other reason to be there other than that they were trying to limit the Russian sphere of influence.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by devoutsalsa »

jiofih wrote: post #50
sva_ wrote: post #25

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It's interesting that they say they've been logged out of Signal/Telegram and can't log back in due to being unable to receive a confirmation code as the cell services have been shut down. This type of thing seems to be happening more and more frequently. It is sad to see that there's not more of an effort to build (decentralized) communication technology independent from government/private infrastructure. I think we…

SMS for 2fa has always been a terrible idea. Use TOTP.

In my experience, SMS does suck for 2FA.

I found a new kind of suck on Friday. I tried logging into Coinbase on Friday for the first time in a while, and the 2FA wasn't working. I had been using Authy, and it turns out that Coinbase no longer supports Authy. It took me a moment to figure out why Authy was giving me a 7 digit code to verify 2FA, but Coinbase would only accept 6 digits. Fortunately I was able to recover my account by reverifying my ID, but it was super annoying.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by jacquesm »

Steltek wrote: post #88
samus wrote: post #69

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Limiting Chinese influence could be a goal by itself. Of course, boots on the ground would mean risking a Chinese intervention as well, like it happened during the Korean War. Different to that one and Vietnam though is, in Myanmar there is no comparable status quo ante belli. It is not at all clear whether the West has any support or some sort of stake in Myanmar. It would be like Irak all over again.

Close. You described Vietnam all over again. The only American interest was in, and still is, stopping hostile foreign influence.

Exactly.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by mzs »

myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

This is all explained by the failed amendment curtailing the military and the elections after that, no need for conspiracy theories: https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/03/myanmar-parliament-rejec...

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by jacquesm »

VLM wrote: post #44
baybal2 wrote: post #31

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> Sanctions won’t work. They will just punish businesses that were stupid enough to work with Americans and Europeans. At the end of the day, Myanmar is going to come out of this period looking more like China than like the British colony it was before — guess what that’s meant to prepare us for, in terms of the way the world looks by the end of this century? Sanctions won’t work, but tanks would. The entirety of Mya…

The problems is revolutions are people-based. No matter how many decades you keep American tanks in various middle eastern countries, if the people don't want to change, they won't. Consider if China makes a better offer for the country than the US State Dept, which seems likely based on historical performance of the US State Dept. After the USA blows up all their old tanks, cementing anti-US hatred for generations,…

Besides that, the past years have shown the American government to be a fickle partner at best who will abandon their allies on a moments notice. This is not something that the rest of the world will easily forget.
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