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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit

Sour grapes. No one was racing to buy Leafs and Bolts, nor EVs with no DC fast charging network. People wanted a great car that happened to be electric, not anemic golf carts.

What's wrong with the Leaf? Some people just want a car that goes from A to B rather than a to flex on the plebs in a musk-mobile, good as they are.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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It isn't that cheap anymore. New undersea cables to Europe means we can export/time arbitrage a lot, and that increases prices.

So the Norwegians are getting even richer, great!

No, individual Norwegians are getting poorer because we now have to pay closer to European market prices for electricity. Mind you the weather this summer was so wet that the prices went negative on a couple of occasions.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go

According to Consumer Reports, electric cars are now cheaper on a Total Cost of Ownership basis than gas cars. Your mileage may vary depending on what you select as a comparable and some of your assumptions, but you save a lot of money on fuel and maintenance and need to factor that in. The resale value of your vehicle is also a huge factor. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/owning-an-electric-car-...

For those that are at the bottom end of the market and rely on second hand cars this won’t be the case for a long time.

I lease my car and when looking recently it’s not the case for me either, even when factoring in associated costs. It’s an extra 150 quid a month on sticker price for a roughly equivalent car. Take fuel, tax, servicing reductions out and you are still no where near parity

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

VW has created a huge EV platform. You won't see it as much in the US but in Europe they'll probably unleash 40 models covering every category in the next 2-3 years.

I've tried 5+ times to put a deposit on an ID.4 but their site won't take my deposit (I work in fintech and e-commerce, I tried many times, on different machines, using different cards -- their workflow for AWD models seems to have a reversion).

I know they're tempering their US launch ambitions a bit, but I wonder if they're seeing lower numbers because something's not working with their reservation system.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Buying a car in Norway or even from abroad has always been very expensive because of the taxes Norway poses on regular cars: > https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/person/duties/cars-and-other-... Electric cars are exempt from these taxes which is why they are so attractive in Norway for customers. Electric cars are also exempt from road fees. Overall, electric cars in Norway are still getting 2.4 billion USD subsidies per…

Are there any suggestions for how to replace lost revenue that would support infrastructure like roads? In the US roads are mostly maintained by taxes on gas. I would think taxing tires might be a decent replacement, but I haven't seen much conversation on the issue.

Per mile charging. Your car reports where it goes using a black box rather like what some insurance companies install then you get taxed based on how many miles you travelled.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Does Norway have any incentives/subsidies for electric bikes or scooters?

According to this website, there is a discount on the VAT when buying an electric bikes in Norway: > https://kontohjelp.no/kontering/elsykkel/elsykkel-til-bruk-i... The official website of the Norwegian tax authority also has some details which mentions scooters (Norwegian: Ståhjuling) as well: > https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/rettskilder/type/uttalelser/p...

The VAT discount as discussed in the links apply when a company acquires an electric bike for company use. It does not as far as I know apply to private citizens which pay the normal VAT rate.

There have been some municipal subsidy schemes for private citizen where you upon sending a receipt of an electric bike purchase will get some money back. They are however often temporary as they only budget a given amount for the scheme.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Sour grapes. No one was racing to buy Leafs and Bolts, nor EVs with no DC fast charging network. People wanted a great car that happened to be electric, not anemic golf carts.

What's wrong with the Leaf? Some people just want a car that goes from A to B rather than a to flex on the plebs in a musk-mobile, good as they are.

Range, battery longevity (older versions), lack of fast charge network and charge experience, no OTA software updates, no lane keeping (“autopilot”) on older versions.

One can appreciate Tesla and not like Musk. Even as a Tesla investor, not a huge fan. I see him as a necessary evil. The cars sells, and that’s all that’s important.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

And why do you think it has to be Tesla when you hear "electric car"? Check out this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currentl...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster. Edit: Would governments be starting to implement new combustion vehicle sales bans without robust charging infra and large quantities of EV deliveries quarter after quarter? Unlikely.

This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit

To be honest most of the "credit" comes from Wall Street. Yes, Tesla wouldn't have been profitable if you subtracted the credits but it is absolutely not worth as much as the market says with the credits or even with 3x the credits it got.

And the $TSLA price it's not just some random number mostly irrelevant to daily operations of the company, they sold/issued many shares at such valuations.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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In Norway it’s dark and cold as shit half the year and no flat parts of the towns; Amsterdam is flat and always pleasant or rainy

The Netherlands gets wind, it isn't always good cycling weather.

as a Dutchman, I can tell you wind is not considered an issue while biking.

rain isn't either.

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