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Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#101

Post by gorjusborg »

koheripbal wrote: post #55
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

Since we're sharing our personal feelings:

I agree that in general, waving your personal politics around for petty matters is not a good look.

He's not waving his around for petty reasons.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#102

Post by gegtik »

lucideer wrote: post #91
koheripbal wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

> I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own. I think your opinion here is a commonly held one, which I find increasingly frustrating and bizarre. I personally feel that work and politics are by definition inextricably linked, and attempting to separate them as some sanctimonious attempt at taking moral highground is naïve (at best, insincere at w…

That belief is in fact just another form of politics.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#103

Post by MatekCopatek »

koheripbal wrote: post #55
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

Excuse the hyperbole, I don't want to judge, I just genuinely think it's an interesting dilemma.

Would you write software needed to support a genocide? Would you consider someone complicit if they did? I'm assuming no and yes, but where do we draw the line? How much bad stuff can I do in the name of professionalism before I should start worrying about moral aspects?

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#104

Post by namero999 »

lucideer wrote: post #91
koheripbal wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

> I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own. I think your opinion here is a commonly held one, which I find increasingly frustrating and bizarre. I personally feel that work and politics are by definition inextricably linked, and attempting to separate them as some sanctimonious attempt at taking moral highground is naïve (at best, insincere at w…

Mh, not sure. It's not different than the vegan friend who cannot stop speaking about his choices, or the newage-y one who will shove magical wisdom down your throat at every occasion, or the sjw who will enumerate your privileges at every turn. Yes, I have thought about these issues, yes, I have developed my opinions, yes, I am doing actual things to change the world as much as I can, but no, I don't need you to constantly remind me how you see things. Really boring attitude, and I am saying this as someone who agrees "politically" on every single point he makes in the changelogs.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#105

Post by drxzcl »

koheripbal wrote: post #55
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

Not everyone has the option not to pick sides in this particular fight.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#106

Post by secondcoming »

toxik wrote: post #89
secondcoming wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's no angel himself: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/apology-for-sexist-jokes/ 'Jokes' from the reddit thread: - If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn't, you hunt that bitch down and kill her. - I'm not saying I hate her. I just hope she gets fingered by wolverine - If you ever wanna know what a woman's mind feels like? Imagine a browser with 2857 tabs open, al…

Oh, we’re policing humor now? Can you please send me a copy of the guidelines for internet jokes, thanks

You're lucky to have seemingly slept through 2020.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#107

Post by moron4hire »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

There is no such thing as "the political space". Politics is just the word we assign to the concept of people organizing and working out (or failing to work out) their differences. Everything we do is a component of it. None of us are absent from it. And just because you don't value someone's particular job does not mean they do not get to have or express an opinion on politics.

When people complain about "politics", what they are complaining about is often a perceived failure within a system. Chesterton's Fence[0] is a parable that describes the need to understand where the system came from before making changes to reform it.

For example, in a large corporation, we might say that the yearly review system is "political", but getting rid of it completely would be removing the one (albeit, flawed) means that the organization has to evaluate employee performance. In its absence, a new system would have to be created to replace it. Any system that would replace it would also be prone to being perceived as "political" to some people.

What does that have to do with software? We write software to be used by and for the benefit of people. There is no point to it, otherwise. Writing software is fundamentally a political process.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#108

Post by krapp »

koheripbal wrote: post #55
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

>I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus.

Between free software itself being highly political, with plenty of zealots writing code, and the progressivism (and anti-progressivism) in SV and the tech community at large, I don't see much evidence that holding political views creates more bugs or degrades software quality. When that happens, the culprit tends to be deadlines or negligence.

The closest thing to an example I can come up with of this happening is the developer who pulled left-pad from NPM for essentially political reasons, but that was an act of deliberate sabotage rather than the result of distraction.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#109

Post by Anechoic »

khawkins wrote: post #95
javindo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

Those are even worse. Why can't we let political discourse stay in political spaces? That used to be the norm and everyone was far less stressed out and amicable for it. Now every space has become a battleground for sociopolitical discourse and we're drawing lines everywhere.

That used to be the norm

When was that? In the US you can go back as far (at least) as Mark Twain and Harriet Beecher Stowe for popular figures getting involved in politics. In terms of actors and singers, you can go back to Bert Willams in the 1910s to numerous outspoken figures in the 1950's and beyond.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

#110

Post by codeulike »

TimSchumann wrote: post #80
codeulike wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just discovered Notepad++ macros today. Need to put speechmarks and a comma around every line? Record a macro, then repeat it N times. Brill.

I must admit, I have never heard the word speechmarks until just now.

How about inverted commas?
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