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Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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post #17

Shouldn’t the liberals be using the app with the French name?

Fundamental human rights like free speech are also french ideals. Article 10 and 11 of the declaration of human rights.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/contenu/menu/droit-national-e...

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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post #96

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

increasing the filter bubble is how you get ultra radicalized people

Sure, but you can't stop people from creating spaces where they want to talk to people they agree with. And besides, I'm certainly not going to spend my time explaining to other people why lizard people are not controlling SecDef through mind probes.

I've got better things to do with my time, like telling you how I don't have time to do that other thing.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

#103
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks, and every last one of them was banned in less than 24 hours because conservatives truly love free speech," one user recently wrote on Twitter. It sounds like they were banned for being antagonistic assholes, not for being liberals.

It doesn't matter what they were banned for, it's still hypocritical for a platform apparently based around "free speech" to ban people for speech they don't agree with.

Spam and flood is not speech it's noise preventing people from having actual conversations.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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post #4

How long until America starts putting limits on free speech? IANAL, but we already have laws against libel, slander, and defamation. Section 230 / communications decency could be modified. New laws could be created to prevent amplified spread of factually incorrect information. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to broadcast that speech. I'm not advocating for this, but I see it as a possibility.

In practice SESTA/FOSTA are serious restrictions on free speech, but nobody on the right cares about that.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

Well its not as if Twitter or any sort of social media platform out there represents reality these days, for me anyway. Which is why I deleted my accounts once I had a look at both platforms to see if I'm missing anything.

Unsurprisingly, It turns out that both of them still have their extreme crack-pots and Parler is no exception; which is just another one of them, so nothing new here on the subject of 'randos' and 'crackpots'.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

#106
post #33

When "free speech" is the primary selling point of a social media website, it tends to only attract people who feel slighted by the platform they're migrating from. Unfortunately this has the opposite effect of Parler's stated goal of being "the world's town square" since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move. I think free speech is important and I think that social media plat…

They can claim that all they want but a quick glance at their sign up flow shows you that they’re really only interested in peddling extreme right wing personalities and associated accounts.

And it can’t be a coincidence that “Gaming” with a capital G is the only topic that I saw suggested for me to follow.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

increasing the filter bubble is how you get ultra radicalized people

And the problem is that sooner or later some of these people will start to act out their radicalized beliefs with very ugly results.

That started happening long ago with Anders Breivik. And possibly earlier examples.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are you claiming that Clinton's suggestion that we wait until absentee ballots are included before letting someone claim victory is "disputing ... democracy", or are you trying to change the subject to something else?

Nobody is “disputing democracy” at this point. Bush vs Gore took an entire month to sort out. Hillary said this might drag out for a while... and she was right, it is. That’s fine. We have a process for this; no need to be melodramatic. Biden has almost assuredly won, but first there will be some court cases and recounts simply because it was extremely close. That’s a good thing for Democracy.

> Nobody is “disputing democracy” at this point. Bush vs Gore took an entire month to sort out.

The trump campaign is literally putting forth the unfounded conspiracy theory that Democratic-party-affiliated groups some how placed fraudulent ballots, and that this is the only reason Trump lost.

> Biden has very likely won, but first there will be some court cases and recounts simply because it was extremely close.

There aren't actually. Biden doesn't need to carry any states with recounts to win. Pennsylvania isn't going to a recount, nor is Arizona. Even if GA and Wisconsin flip on a recount, Biden has carried the electoral college. All of the court cases so far have have been thrown out or withdrawn.

Despite this, Trump continues to claim that there was election fraud (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/13277501276798894...), even after his own lawyers have dropped suits in Arizona and Pennsylvania, and have yet to, in any suit in any state, provide an example of fraud. There's no substance to his claims, and when in front of a judge, the lawyers admit that. And yet.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

To be fair, I've largely stopped using twitter due to the incessant politics, pretty much what you described above but just in a different flavor. Ironically manipulating elections was one of those "incessant" topics, however it was all coming from a completely different crowd then (around when I left).

I also remember seeing a ton of racism against whites and (ironically) anti-semitic comments and conspiracies that would be alarmingly praised (likes and retweets) which I assume weren't really taken down if they were able to get thousands of impressions.

I like places like stack and HN because you're able to usually escape it... but its hard to find any social network that pretty much doesn't turn into an echo chamber of one side or the other.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

#110

Big Tech and Big Media really overplayed their hand this time, IMO. Millions and millions of people are now skeptical and looking for an alternative, even from Fox News. It might not be to Parler, or to the next site after that, but fragmentation will continue to happen. Facebook and media at large only have power if they have viewers, which is a far less stable resource than iron, or oil, or other corporate mainstay…

2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets.

The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot hold, and the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

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