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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mid-air, exactly like Amazon's

I would love to see a picture of one.

https://www.idemia.com/innovation/morphowave

Their product uses visual light to take the 3D scan (hence the green glow) but their patent filings cover a lot of related scanning techniques.

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#102

Coupling un-alienable, (purposefully) unchangeable biological marks to any account is always horrible idea. And not just the privacy part, for one, it can (only) be unwillingly altered (eg. by an accident), the same way as fingerprints, so a secondary backup code is needed anyway, making the whole setup a bad sort of convenience feature. The proper solution would be a safe hardware key mechanism.

This is an important aspect. People are not aware how big the difference of this is to the usual account name and password. If you want to start over and register a new account, you can have that. Not with this technology. And with the amount of data which Amazon vacuums up, there are totally legitimate reasons for this. Let's say, just as an example, that your girlfriend has bipolar disorder and you order and read a couple of books from Amazon how to cope with that, and how to help her. Fast-forward ten years. She has overcome the illness with good medication, and became your wife, or maybe you have parted ways and live in different states. This is past. But Amazon still has that information about you - a very sensitive kind of information. Maybe if this data is sold to an insurance company, she won't get health insurance. Now, closing your account and starting a new one is an option to handle, even in a limited way, that toxic data waste which is laying around.

Irreversibly tying accounts to biometric identities is a very powerful thing which can easily be abused. Think of Salman Rushdi, the Iranian writer which became target of a religios fatwa and was basically advertised to be murdered. He somehow managed to disappear. But that was years ago. In todays world with Facebook everywhere and your social graph being a different kind of fingerprint, you'd need to axe-murder your whole family and friends to get rid of that social graph which identifies you, whatever name and picture you use. AS no normal human being will do that, it has become basically impossible to disappear. And, having lived in Colombia, South America, I've known many decent and nice people who just had to disappear only in order to protect their life. This is dangerous technology.

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#103
post #68

This is a continuation of Amazon's remove all inconvenience strategy. And it'll work. You're waving your hand and walking through now, no more scanning, no more opening up an app, no more tinkering with your phone. By chipping away at each of these friction points, no manner how minor, their moat grows and customers will notice a difference between an Amazon retail store vs. a competitor's.

Like suddenly demanding you register a credit card with them when you have perfectly fine working other payment methods.

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#104
post #54
post #6

At this point I feel like products are named One when the product manager and marketing people are having a bad day and want to just be done with the naming discussions already.

I had initially read your comment as "marketing people are having a bad day and want to just be one with the naming discussion"

Said the Japanese monk to the hot dog vendor: "Make me one with everything" :)

Re: Amazon One – Palm recognition for Amazon Go

#105

Coupling un-alienable, (purposefully) unchangeable biological marks to any account is always horrible idea. And not just the privacy part, for one, it can (only) be unwillingly altered (eg. by an accident), the same way as fingerprints, so a secondary backup code is needed anyway, making the whole setup a bad sort of convenience feature. The proper solution would be a safe hardware key mechanism.

And, what also needs to be pointed out: It is, functionally, a user name. Not a password.

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#107
post #6

At this point I feel like products are named One when the product manager and marketing people are having a bad day and want to just be done with the naming discussions already.

X and One fall in this category. They sound cool and could be any Amazon product under the sun. The problem though is the next iteration ie X2, X3 etc sound fine but One 2 sounds weird

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post #102

Coupling un-alienable, (purposefully) unchangeable biological marks to any account is always horrible idea. And not just the privacy part, for one, it can (only) be unwillingly altered (eg. by an accident), the same way as fingerprints, so a secondary backup code is needed anyway, making the whole setup a bad sort of convenience feature. The proper solution would be a safe hardware key mechanism.

This is an important aspect. People are not aware how big the difference of this is to the usual account name and password. If you want to start over and register a new account, you can have that. Not with this technology. And with the amount of data which Amazon vacuums up, there are totally legitimate reasons for this. Let's say, just as an example, that your girlfriend has bipolar disorder and you order and read a…

Nitpick : Salman Rushdie is Indian

Re: Amazon One – Palm recognition for Amazon Go

#110

Coupling un-alienable, (purposefully) unchangeable biological marks to any account is always horrible idea. And not just the privacy part, for one, it can (only) be unwillingly altered (eg. by an accident), the same way as fingerprints, so a secondary backup code is needed anyway, making the whole setup a bad sort of convenience feature. The proper solution would be a safe hardware key mechanism.

That's just not true. By definition all our identities are basically linked to a biometric, namely our face. If you walk into your bank and want to withdraw a large sum from your account, someone at the counter looks at your face and a shitty small photo taken from you either on their system or on your passport to determine if there is a "face match". A proper technological solution to the current more insecure human…

Banks do that, but retail stores don't… yet. I think we accept a higher bar for authentication and security for a bank than we do for a retail store.
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