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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

If you don't mind, I have what is probably a dumb question.

Why does a GPU use PCI-Express still? I understand why they used to use it, but now they are not only standard, but in some cases the most important part of a PC.

I feel like if we could break the basic components out of the card, and bring it closer the system with a more modular design a bunch of things would be better.

Wouldn't it be nice if I could choose more CUDA cores if that's what I needed? Wouldn't it be nice if I could add more dedicated video RAM? Wouldn't it be nice if the the PCI slot wasn't a bottleneck? They're not graphics cards any more... often enough they're used for AI and scientific computing. It feels to me like moving these pieces to the motherboard would be super beneficial. Plus eaiser for other companies to get their fingers in things.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

> but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots Your second assertion that they can make more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU is probably correct, but assuming they don't abandon the GPU market entirely, they will still be using fab capacity to produce GPUs. If they're using limited slots for GPUs anyway, doesn't it make sense to focus on the high-end high-margin parts first?

It makes sense to focus on the GPUs with the highest price per area of die. And remember that the larger the individual chip, the more of the wafer is lost to part failures. So for this rumour to be plausible, AMD’s better GPU tech would probably require larger chips.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#103

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

TSMC slots are transferrable/sellable... The fact Nvidia hasn't sold their slots to AMD for CPU production, yet AMD's GPU team has given up slots to their CPU team, tells you Nvidias GPU range is more profitable than AMD's one in this high-end market.

30xx parts are made at Samsung on a process inferior to TSMC's N7/N7P. This might indicate that Nvidia's datacenter/HPC parts are worth more than AMD CPU production, but that's not very shocking. Also it would be bad business to sell your slots to your competitor, so they could have ever greater production capacity on a leading-edge node.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#104

Besides processors, AMD knows how to design a good hype train.

They are masters of the hype cycle. The hype bicycle, nowadays.

Including the most important part of the AMD hype bicycle, backpedaling.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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I've had multiple generations of Nvidia GPUs in my PCs, all the way back from a Riva TNT up to a GTX 460 as the last one. I switched to an RX560 and I couldn't be happier. Linux drivers that actually work and aren't a mostly closed source garbage heap. The current Windows drivers are fine too.

Am I the only person on this site who has had no issues with the blob (aside from Wayland), especially on desktop? The last actual thing that I remember being a bit of a pain was an Optimus laptop years ago but from what I understand that’s finally been officially fixed; the desktop cards worked quite well, including the 2060 in my current desktop.

No, I've been using NVIDIA Linux drivers on RedHat/CentOS for the last 14 years and seldom had anything like the problems everyone complains of here.

I've not had much luck on laptops with NVIDIA Optimus though, maybe that's improved.

The current situation with Wayland and EGLStreams is regrettable though.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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post #101

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

If you don't mind, I have what is probably a dumb question. Why does a GPU use PCI-Express still? I understand why they used to use it, but now they are not only standard, but in some cases the most important part of a PC. I feel like if we could break the basic components out of the card, and bring it closer the system with a more modular design a bunch of things would be better. Wouldn't it be nice if I could choos…

What makes you think that PCIe is a bottleneck? You can just populate your machine with another GPU if you need more memory or cores (thanks to the PCIe bus system).

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#107

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Honest question: If you're not interested in gaming, why even get a discrete GPU and not an integrated one? Are you interested in using it for other purposes?

I dual boot Windows for gaming. I work and code on Linux, except my monitor setup + nvidia graphics card results in a virtually unusable desktop. Integrated graphics can't run multiple 4k screens very well, if at all.

I do all my gaming on Linux and AMD works very well for it.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had multiple generations of Nvidia GPUs in my PCs, all the way back from a Riva TNT up to a GTX 460 as the last one. I switched to an RX560 and I couldn't be happier. Linux drivers that actually work and aren't a mostly closed source garbage heap. The current Windows drivers are fine too.

Am I the only person on this site who has had no issues with the blob (aside from Wayland), especially on desktop? The last actual thing that I remember being a bit of a pain was an Optimus laptop years ago but from what I understand that’s finally been officially fixed; the desktop cards worked quite well, including the 2060 in my current desktop.

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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I recently bought a Ryzen 3900X. I hope Linux eventually supports these processors better. There has been some serious stabilization issues I eventually tracked down to being related to my processor. These issues required me to spend a significant amount of time researching. Things seem to just work with Intel processors. I'm hoping as popularity increases support for these processors will improve.

>serious stabilization issues Care to go into more detail? I've just installed a server with a 3700X and the only issues I've experienced have been that I need a custom kernel module in order to get CPU temperature and power data (zenpower)

It's been a while, so I have since forgotten the details... but I believe I needed to make a few changes to the BIOS to turn off idling or something like that.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Apple Silicon will contain an Apple-designed GPU, so it might soon be irrelevant for Mac users what AMD has to offer.

I highly suspect Apple will still ship (and support) AMD GPUs - maybe for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro. I doubt that Apple Silicon GPUs will be close to the performance to AMD/NVidias flagships. And I assume the market share for iMac/Mac Pro is just not that big for Apple to invest in competing with AMD/Nvidia on the Highend Segment.

I can also easily imagine AMD in the Mac Pro, but only as an accelerator rather than to drive displays.

(And I’m also predicting Apple will have more FPGA programs ready for the Afterburner card. This accelerator may even be the distinguishing feature of a future iMac Pro.)

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